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9n jumps when i get off the clutch to bush hog.

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9n adrian

06-11-2004 20:53:45




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Hello guys I'm new here and new to the "n" world. I have a couple of questions.

The first is is it normal when you get off the clutch that the tractor hesetates and jerks when you have the PTO engaged. Mine does that when i start bushoggin but once I get going it is fine.

The other question is thier is a lever on the left side of the tractor that my brother told me whas a step up gear. Is this like an overdrive gear? Is it engaged when when it is pulled back or pulled forward.

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Texman

06-12-2004 17:06:16




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 Re: 9n jumps when i get off the clutch to bush hog in reply to 9n adrian, 06-11-2004 20:53:45  
Adrain, my dad's tractor does a simular thing when I engage his big brush hog/mower . What I did on his, as my Ford was engage the PTO at just above idle, THEN when the blade is moving, increase the gas . I

Works for me anyway.



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john

06-12-2004 06:15:28




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 Re: 9n jumps when i get off the clutch to bush hog in reply to 9n adrian, 06-11-2004 20:53:45  
The jumping you feel maybe your swinging bush hog blades getting swung around to cutting position due to centrifucal force. Just a thought.



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Dell (WA)

06-11-2004 21:20:29




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 Re: 9n jumps when i get off the clutch to bush hog in reply to 9n adrian, 06-11-2004 20:53:45  
Adrian..... ...no, it is NOT NORMAL for yer tractor to jump or bogg down when you engage yer PTO driven brushog (you do have an ORC, don't you?)

Your boggin' could be lean down pointing carburator mainjet. (enrich CCW, no more than 1/8 turn)

Your boggin' could be hung-up/warn centrifical advance weights/springs in base of the frontmount distributor.

But MOST LIKELY, its the mysterious GOVERNOR. Flat spotted balls and grooved race. The governor is supposted to give yer engine more gass when you load it down starting the brushog spinnin, to keep the engine rpms constant.

I check the governor by standing alongside the running engine and hand "jazzin" the carb-governor throttle shaft for more rpms, DOES IT FIGHT YOU? to return the engine rpms down? Iff'n what I just said don't make sense, go out and try it ennyways, it won't byte you.

Yep, a simple lever over yer left toe is a dealer installed "Sherman" aux tranny. Forward for straight thru and back for OverDrive in enny gear. Interestingly, 1st OD is almost as fast as 3rd straight..... ...Dell

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9n adrian

06-11-2004 22:07:35




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 Re: Re: 9n jumps when i get off the clutch to bush in reply to Dell (WA), 06-11-2004 21:20:29  
Thanks Dell. Where do I find the carburator main jet. When i do find it do I need to close it then open it 1/8 turn? Please excuse the questions but it amazes me what you guys know about these tractors.


Why would you need a tractor to have O.D?
To me first gear is to fast to bush hog.



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Too fast? Rob

06-12-2004 05:29:16




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 Re: Re: Re: 9n jumps when i get off the clutch to in reply to 9n adrian, 06-11-2004 22:07:35  
Ok, 1st gear at 1500rpm (pto rpm) is slower than you walk. You push your walk-behind faster! No joke. Walking (military cadence (marching))= 4mph; low gear = 2.51mph at 1400rpm; 2nd gear (plowing speed and 1400rpm) 3.23mph; and high gear at 1400rpm = 7.48mph. Reverse = 2.69mph at 1400 rpm.
The 9N doesn't have a proofmeter so you might not know the pto speed is about 7 knotches from full throttle. I didn't know that until I got an 8N. You want pto speed because your hog is designed thinking you will operate at that speed. 2nd gear at pto speed is not too fast for tractor control while bush hogging most places but the cut will suffer some. I stay in 1st and mow an acre or so an hour.
I put the tractor in neutral, engage the pto, engage the clutch, and start the hog spinning. Actually, with a proof meter I set the throttle to pto rpm with the hog spinning before I shift into gear and start off but that's an 8N. Once the hog is spinning some (just a little makes a big difference), I clutch, shift into gear, release the clutch, and off I go bush hog already spinning and it's a lot smoother than starting the hog spinning and the tractor moving all at the same time. You can shift into gear with the throttle set at 1500rpm, bush hog spinning, and not grind gears. You won't grind gears if the ground speed is zero. The only time I touch the throttle while bush hogging is when I first start the engine and after I'm finished mowing. Again, the tractor ground speed must be zero to shift but the engine rpm does not have to be minimum. Set the throttle and forget it. It helps some if you understand and remember a tractor throttle is not an accellerator like you have on your car. The governor operates the carb to react to changes in grade and operating conditions. Not like a car at all.
Now if I'm going to road it in 4th gear or that overdrive I will set the throttle midway or 3/4, engage the clutch, and once moving some pull the throttle wide open. I'll use the throttle some when roading at higher ground speeds for turns and such but that's not the way to operate your implimients at lower ground speeds.
Use an ORC (required, required, required for safety, shifting while hog is spinning, and therefore protecting the tranny guts and stuff) and limiter chains (eliminates starting with the blade in the dirt and the unexpected changes in mower height). Limiter chains and ORC available at farm/ranch stores and tractor dealers. You need to measure the pto shaft diameter to get the right ORC setup. Shop for prices but get em along with sway bars, at least one anyway. (You won't get change from a 100-dollar bill, btw.)

I ran without sway bars once = Dumb.

I ran without an ORC a couple times = Ignorant, really dumb, and I'm fortunate I didn't break stuff and hurt myself. Tranny would lock-up and wouldn't come out of gear, wouldn't stop and almost took out a wellhead, and I thought I was going to roll the tractor backwards once. Front end came down real hard! sheesh

I ran without limiter chains for a couple years = Really dumb and could kick myself.

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Dell (WA)

06-11-2004 23:57:48




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 Re: Re: Re: 9n jumps when i get off the clutch to in reply to 9n adrian, 06-11-2004 22:07:35  
Adrian..... ...I'm gonnna assume that you know the difference between the side-pointing idlemixture jet and the DOWN-POINTING mainjet.

Whatever the DOWN-POINTING mainjet is currently adjusted to, just enrich the mainjet by 1/8 turn CCW. I'm gonnna assume you know CCW means CounterClockWize.

Well OverDrive is handy iff'n yer driving (bouncing) down the road to yer fields in the other township. (itza about 22 mph in OD)..... ...respectfully, Dell

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