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any difference in autozone 90wt gear oil

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9n adrian

06-14-2004 14:16:08




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I will be changing out my Hyd oil soon and I noticed that everyone here uses the oil from New/Holland. AutoZone also sells 90wt gear oil. Can I use this ?




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FC

06-15-2004 06:59:19




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 Re: any difference in autozone 90wt gear oil in reply to 9n adrian, 06-14-2004 14:16:08  
I would like to re-iterate on the thinner 134D oil not doing well in a worn system. I used this in my 52 8N a couple years ago which is running factory seals, and hydraulic pump (never rebuilt), and it started leaking out of every orifice. My clutch started sticking, and my hydraulics were weak especially when warm. I really never gave it any thought until I realized that it was fine until I changed that leaky relief valve and replaced the oil. Then it occurred to me what had happened. Went down to Wal-Mart, purchased a 5 gal pail of GL1 for $20 and it has been back to normal. As others have said, if your seals are good, etc the thinner oil will be fine, if not, use the Gl-1, or mineral based oils. My opinion.

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Jim

06-14-2004 15:38:01




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 Re: any difference in autozone 90wt gear oil in reply to 9n adrian, 06-14-2004 14:16:08  
The AutoZone by me when I checked only had the GL-5 formula - which according the to board here is best to stay away from



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Mark G (OH)

06-14-2004 15:38:00




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 Re: any difference in autozone 90wt gear oil in reply to 9n adrian, 06-14-2004 14:16:08  
You can easily get the correct 90wt GL-1 at any NAPA store.
Ask for part number NHF 65-205 for a 5 gallon pail.
It's also available in 1 gallon jugs- part number
NHF 65-201.



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Rob

06-14-2004 14:58:08




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 Re: any difference in autozone 90wt gear oil in reply to 9n adrian, 06-14-2004 14:16:08  
You don't want gear oil. Sounds like it would be pretty thick and not conducive to hydraulic pump operation in cold weather. I get my fluid from a farm/ranch store. I look for that MC-134D spec and the more affordable stuff has it so....I use it. $25/5gal. WalMart is reputed to handle the fluid also. Mineral oil is $31/5gal. so I don't use it.
Actually, a lot of different fluids will work from 30w engine oil to maybe gear oil but it's not recommended by the guys that have expertise.

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souNdguy

06-14-2004 17:48:51




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 Re: Re: any difference in autozone 90wt gear oil in reply to Rob, 06-14-2004 14:58:08  
As Bob ( and others ) pointed out.. it isn't that 'gear oil' is bad.. it is the addative pack.. and gl-numbers you need to worry about.. gl-1 mineral gear oil is fine in the N pump... it was designed for the thicker fluid. The newer pumps on the NAA and up weren't.

Soundguy



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Bob

06-14-2004 14:55:29




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 Re: any difference in autozone 90wt gear oil in reply to 9n adrian, 06-14-2004 14:16:08  
As long as the label on the oil states MINERAL OIL or GL-1 it should be OK. The additives in GL-3-4-5-6 that make those oils perform well in hypoid gearsets under extreme conditions are reputed to damage brass (bronze?) parts over a period of time.

The 'N piston-type hydraulic oil pumps (which are immersed in the gear oil) use brass (bronze?) parts, so the higher-numbered series of GL oils are NOT a good choice for these machines.

Ford's modern specs for rear-end oil for these tractors is "M-134C, which is a much thinner oil than these tractors were shipped with originally. This oil is better for extreme cold weather operation, but is more likely to leak into the clutch housing or the brakes than the 90 weight oil, if your seals are less than perfect. Also, the 3-point lift system MAY not perform as well, or leak down quicker, or be more noisy with the lighter weight oil, if it is in less than perfect condition. If you do choose to go the route of the lighter oil, many "universal tractor fluids" or "universal hydraulic oils" meet the Ford specs. Check the label to be sure.

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