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SouNdguy - Pulley Description

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Allen Fuller

06-21-2004 11:20:46




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Hi SouNdguy,

I recall a few weeks ago you posted a photo
and subsequently a parts description of
your adding a pulley to your 12-volt conversion.
I am interested in doing the same and, like
an idiot, did not print the info at the time.
I was unsuccessful finding it with a search.
If it's not too much trouble, could you please
repost the info? Or you could just e-mail it
to me.

Thanks,
Allen

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souNdguy

06-22-2004 07:47:01




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 Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to Allen Fuller, 06-21-2004 11:20:46  
Here's the info you needed:

pulley is v-belt:

3/8 x 2" x 5/8-v white in color.. long arbor towards the alternator ( on my setup anyway ).
Has sealed bearings.. Is listed as an idler pulley on the shelf at TSC

I use a 4" or 5" 3/8 bolt.. choose whatever 'fits' your lower bracket setup.

I also used (2) 3/8 flat fender washers as spacers, and (1) 3/8 locknut and (2) 3/8 nuts as a doublenut scheme in addition to the lockwasher for safety... Don't want the pulley flying off.

I also purchased (1) package of (2) pieces.. 3/8 locking collar.. made by speeco.. in a TSC plastic bag.. back in the pto and lynch pin section. sku number is 11-95311 these are the little metal bushings with allen wrench set screws to lock them on the bolt

hope this helps

Soundguy

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Allen Fuller

06-22-2004 14:09:34




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 Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to souNdguy, 06-22-2004 07:47:01  
SouNdguy,

Thanks for the info. Do you remember
what length belt was required? I realize
that it may be different on my setup.

Thanks for all your help.

Allen



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souNdguy

06-23-2004 05:00:08




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 Re: Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to Allen Fuller, 06-22-2004 14:09:34  
On my setup I didn't have to replace my belt.. So I can't say. The pulley doesn't add to the length needed, as long as you have some adjustment left on the top bracket to go 'in'.. Most of the alt jobs I've seen have the alt adjusted as far 'out' as possible.. so this -may- not be an issue for you.

Soundguy



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souNdguy

06-21-2004 13:11:01




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 Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to Allen Fuller, 06-21-2004 11:20:46  
Well.. I posted it on may 20.. but for the life of me I can't find it in the search or in the archives

If I have the email info at home I'll check.

Basically it is like a 4.5" 3/8 bolt that goes thru the lower ear on the alternator and thru the smaller tabs that hold that ear.. the smaller tabs are the 'bottom bracket' which attatch to the gov'ner. On the bolt I used (2) 3/8 set screw lock sleaves that TSC sells.. they are 3/8 ID and have a hex headed locking set screw. The pulley was an off the shelf one with a sealed bearing.. I matched it to the vbelt ( 5/8? ) the system is using. It had a long and short arbor.. I can't remember which way I put the arbor.. but between flipping the arbor, and the locking sleaves and a couple flat washers and a nut and lock washer.. it has functioned absolutely perfectly.

Before this mod, I had about 3/8 of clearance between the alt belt and the front distribuitor, with the alt at max adjustment on the top bracket.

The previous owner tucked that alternator in their high and close, I guess to keep it away from the steering arm... Doing this though put the belt critically close to the distribuitor.. in fact.. when i got it.. the top bracket was loose, and the belt wore a mark in the distribuitor.. Gaspump and Raytasche pointed this out to me. I had adjusted the alt before a show and not got it tightened down good I guess, and it was rubbing again.. that was when I decided to modify it.

Took about 15$ worht of parts from tsc.. and about 20 minutes of work. Like I say.. pulley was off the shelf item at tsc.. they got lots to choose from.

Soundguy

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Allen Fuller

06-21-2004 16:46:05




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 Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to souNdguy, 06-21-2004 13:11:01  
SouNdguy,

I'm glad I'm not the only one that could
not find it. I wonder if the post is in
the "in between state" from what is available
on the pages directly and on the archives?

The 12-volt conversion I have was done by
a friend of my father. The person that did
it was employed by Lockhead in Atlanta, GA.
It starts and runs fine. But it the belt
does seem very close to the front-mount
distributor. It may have rubbed a little.
(The conversion is about 10 to 12 years old.)

Even though I do not know much about engines,
etc., I do want to keep the 8N in good condition.
(I am good with my hands and simple mechanical
things. I just never had anyone around that was
experienced with engines when I was a lad.)
My paternal grandfather bought it new in 1949,
and it has been in family since then. I heard
that it was the first 8N bought in our county.

If you find the info, please post or e-mail.
If not, don't worry about it.

Thanks,
Allen

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souNdguy

06-22-2004 06:25:08




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 Re: Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to Allen Fuller, 06-21-2004 16:46:05  
I'll see what I can do.

It may even have been lost in that 'day' where all 10 pages of posts were on one day.. might have been lost or something.

I think I have the info here. I'll post back in a bit.

As long as you have the room to get a longer bolt thru the lower mounting point on your alternator.. this should be a 10 minute job.

Soundguy



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Scott

06-21-2004 11:46:52




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 Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to Allen Fuller, 06-21-2004 11:20:46  
If you do indeed need an idler pulley, a good source for parts is late '70's-80's Ford cars and trucks. Often you can find one in a junkyard that has manageable bracket, just split the pulley and shim as needed.



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Steve(OR)

06-21-2004 11:37:24




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 Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to Allen Fuller, 06-21-2004 11:20:46  
third party image

Here is the other pic



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Steve(OR)

06-21-2004 11:34:48




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 Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to Allen Fuller, 06-21-2004 11:20:46  
third party image

Go look in Parts and Pieces photo gallery.



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Bob

06-21-2004 11:48:40




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 Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to Steve(OR), 06-21-2004 11:34:48  
Looks like the Delco alternator in the picture is gonna wind up "toast". The cooling fan is missing!



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souNdguy

06-21-2004 12:15:47




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 Re: Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to Bob, 06-21-2004 11:48:40  
It hasn't toasted yet. Previous owner used the tractor for over 10 years like that. Besides.. It is usually never charging over 10 amps even right after startup.. then falls back to just barely a deflection on the needle.

The prev. owner did some /custom/ work getting the pulley lined up..I guess if it ever does die, I'll have to add some sort of extra spacer to the shaft to get them to line up again.

If it does toast out.. I'll post the info. When I bought the tractor I knew it was in electrical distress.. but with delco alternators so cheap I figured I would be replacing it anyway. It was a nice suprise when Jim Cox emailed me the magical incantations and hand gestures to make it come back to life... So right now anyway.. I figure I'm ahead of the game.... even if I do have to replace it later on.

Soundguy

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Hobo, NC

06-21-2004 14:05:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to souNdguy, 06-21-2004 12:15:47  
run mine with out the fan to and no problem. also on my farmall 100 theirs no fan on the alternator.
On the N the alt is tuncked in close to the motor and gets plenty of air off the radiator cooling fan.



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Jim(MO)

06-21-2004 12:21:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to souNdguy, 06-21-2004 12:15:47  
As far as the alternator tucks in I wonder if it gets plenty of air from the the engine fan? It would be warm air but the alt fan would be pulling in the same air.



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souNdguy

06-21-2004 13:02:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to Jim(MO), 06-21-2004 12:21:19  
It is VERY near the fan.. In fact.. I cut my hands quite a few times just installing the idler pulley.

And yeah... as much usage as that alt sees.. I wouldn't doubt if it lasted another 10 years..

Soundguy



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Scott

06-21-2004 12:32:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Description in reply to Jim(MO), 06-21-2004 12:21:19  
I think the biggest thing is like Soundguy says its barely having to do any work. Even on the lowliest 10SI, 10 amps is like only 15% of rated output.

A little bit after starting, every now and then to top the battery off (ignition only draws about 3-4 amps), rest of the time its just spinning.

Plus, they are indeed some tough old alternators.



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Stick

06-21-2004 18:52:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Descript in reply to Scott, 06-21-2004 12:32:06  
"Even on the lowliest 10SI, 10 amps is like only 15% of rated output."

Sorry, but there are about a gazillion 37 amp 10SI's out there. Probably the most common size, in fact. 10 amps is more like 27% of their rated. but still..... ...

I have a 66 amp on my 2N. Lotsa juice for accessories, boosting etc.



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Scott

06-21-2004 20:25:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SouNdguy - Pulley Desc in reply to Stick, 06-21-2004 18:52:28  
True, there were 37,42, and 55amp models. I was thinking of the most common, the 61 and 63 amp models that are plentiful around here, by far the most common in the junkyards I've been to in VA & NC. Those are the ones that came on V-8 cars and trucks. I've never even considered pulling a 37-42 amp alternator off of a 4 or 6 cylinder car for a tractor, and can't say I've ever noticed a 55 amp model around here. Point was though, most of them aren't straining on an N-series conversion.

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