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ATTN: Roland Jackson-Loader Pics

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Salmoneye

02-24-2001 04:39:12




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I went out this AM and took some pics of my loader.
It is 2 above here and I want to thank you for the kick in the butt to get out in it!
It was crisp, calm and clear and the sun had not yet come down into our valley.

I could not find the label for you as I think it is on the cylinder housings which are still under a foot of snow, but I will keep an eye out for it.
As I remember it was about 3 by 6 inches, very faded yellow, and you could just make out the name 'Mohawk'. I am pretty sure that I did not make this up as I had never heard of Mohawk before I found this label.
After looking at the bracing and the front end I can now see the differences in the two loaders. It sounds like you already got some good leads anyway.

Here are the pics:

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And here is the view from our sugarbush looking west to the Adirondacks of New York at 6:30 AM:

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MikeC

02-24-2001 18:14:15




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 Re: ATTN: Roland Jackson-Loader Pics in reply to Salmoneye, 02-24-2001 04:39:12  
I honestly thought for a moment you had taken pictures of my Dearborn 19-22. Identical down to the knob on the valve. Mine is also "stored" for the winter just like yours.



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Roland Jackson

02-24-2001 08:10:54




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 Re: ATTN: Roland Jackson-Loader Pics in reply to Salmoneye, 02-24-2001 04:39:12  
Salmoneye, Thank you for going to so much trouble to get these pictures. I really appreciate it. Most of all, thanks for sharing the wonderful sunrise. You live in a beautiful place. There are several differences between your loader and the one that I had...but the basic frame work, hydraulic valve and lift cylinders look alike. Hopefully I will be able to find someone who has a loader with the model I.D. still in place. Thanks again. Roland

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Matt

02-24-2001 09:04:04




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 Re: Re: ATTN: Roland Jackson-Loader Pics in reply to Roland Jackson, 02-24-2001 08:10:54  
Hi Roland & Salmoneye:

I stand to be corrected in my 02/23/01 reply to Roland's loader his is not a Dearborn 19-23 but is actually a Dearbon 19-8 model listed as a 'Dearborn Heavy Duty Manure and Material Loader'. 1.. Roland's loader arms are reinforced on top with a steel rod bracing.

2.. Salmoneye's loader is a Dearborn 19-22 where the loader arms are reinforced on top with steel flat bar bracing.

Someone previously had mentioned Rolands loader being a 19-8A which it is not. The 19-8A has loader arms of rectangular steel with no additional bracing on top, whereas the 19-8 & 19-22 the arms are round tubular steel.

If you need additional info. I'd be glad to help.
Matt

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SalmoneyeThanks Matt MikeC

02-25-2001 06:10:47




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 Re: Re: Re: ATTN: Roland Jackson-Loader Pics in reply to Matt, 02-24-2001 09:04:04  
Thanks to Matt and MikeC for the info!!!

I appreciate the ID and now wonder if I should put some time into refurbishing the darn thing.
If it was in good working condition, what could I expect to get for it?
Someone asked me a while back what it was worth and I had, and have, no idea...



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Matt

02-25-2001 09:10:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: ATTN: Roland Jackson-Loader Pics in reply to SalmoneyeThanks Matt MikeC, 02-25-2001 06:10:47  
Hi Salmoneye:

Whether you should refurbish the loader all depends what needs to be done. If it just means cleaning and repainting and its all in working conditions (that is the hydraulic pistons is not rusted, hoses are good, frame is not bent, etc) then go for it. You may get $500 as a working loader or $1000 dollars as a collector for show, depending who wants it . But if hydraulic or metal work needs to be done then its iffy.

Your loader Dearborn 19-22 only has the 2 hydraulics to lift the loader frame, there's no hydraulics on the bucket. The bucket is on a manual operated pin.

If you need a diagram or parts sheet inorder to refurbish the loader, I can e-mail the sheets from my parts book. Contact me at mlaane@lynx.net, and glad to help. Matt

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RockyMountain8n

02-24-2001 07:54:52




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 Re: ATTN: Roland Jackson-Loader Pics in reply to Salmoneye, 02-24-2001 04:39:12  
I just checked my Dearborn loader and it looks very similar to yours. Looks like a Dearborn to me. The label should be above the control valve at the right end of the horizontal tube of the frame.



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Roland Jackson

02-24-2001 09:07:14




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 Re: Re: ATTN: Roland Jackson-Loader Pics in reply to RockyMountain8n, 02-24-2001 07:54:52  
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RockyMountain, thanks for your information. To give some background information, the loader I have posted in the picture had a I.D tag on the left side of the bucket. It was riveted on and I remember taping over it before painting. To make a long story short, I mounted the loader on a 9N and sold it in March of 99. I posted a picture of the 9N and loader on my website. A fellow in Houston saw the picture and wanted to know the model number of the loader. I tried to find the tractor, in fact have driven more than 300 miles trying to locate it....but the tractor has changed hands and apparently no one knows where the tractor is. So, as a last resort, I decided to try the board to see if we could determine the model number of the loader. With the exception of N-News and their reproduction manuals, to my knowledge, there is no place on the net to get model and I.D. information on Dearborn and Wagneer loaders. Is there such a place?? If not, I am thinking of putting together an informational page with history, model numbers and pictures of Dearborn and Wagner Loaders and post it on my website. It could be a fun project.

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Ed Gooding (VA)

02-25-2001 08:37:42




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 Re: Re: Re: ATTN: Roland Jackson-Loader Pics in reply to Roland Jackson, 02-24-2001 09:07:14  
Roland, I'm not so sure that it's a 19-8. Compare this picture of a 19-8 from the Dearborn Master Parts book to what you have. Very similar, and could be a 19-8 if someone had taken it upon themselves to weld on custom pieces to make it more sturdy:
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fwiw..... ..Ed
'52 8N475798

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Dave Boyle

02-26-2001 19:05:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: ATTN: Roland Jackson-Loader Pics in reply to Ed Gooding (VA), 02-25-2001 08:37:42  
I better weigh in 'cause I'm the guy in Houston (College Station, actually) that Roland is trying to help. Six months ago I bought 8N (S.N. 39,385) with a kick-butt rusty old loader that I love. The significant point about the serial number is that my 8N was manufactured in 1948...and so was I. We are both 52 years old; and we both have a few leaks (if you know what I mean). Anyway, I want to take good care of the loader, but since I'm an engineer, I don't believe I can do a proper job without a manual. Hence the tough question to Roland who has a picture of a loader that matches mine exactly.

I have obtained the manuals for Dearborn Loader s 19-61, 19-21, 19-22, and 19-42. The pictures are close, but they are clearly not a match. The key difference seems to be that graceful arc the main structural pipes make at the high point of the loader a few inches above and ahead of the main loader rotation joint. Perhaps it's not a Dearborn? Maybe a Wagner or a Mohawk? Anybody else got an opinion, or better yet, a matching loader with the identification plate still attached? Thanks! [And thanks for initiating this process, Roland.]

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