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What a day! Bull Riding Part 3...

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Adam Paul

08-02-2004 20:22:06




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First and foremost, thank you for all the awesome replies to "What an Awesome Day - She was Proud!" It's great to be part of such a wonderful community!!!
At this point, I should just start calling this "Adam's weekly report". I feel like I'm back at square one with my bull riding 2N, but thought I'd post a quick update. Keep in mind; I was using a half baked tune-up kit to just make a little progress...
I started off with the tractor still running for about six seconds, and would die. OK, new condenser. I had an old tune up kit (left in a shed, and a bit damaged from condensation), a condenser from NAPA, and a brand new 6v coil that the manager of NAPA had lent me. I'm not sure if that coil was a NAPA type, but I got the feeling it was his, as he also owned an "N".
Anyway, what a fiasco!!! The "tune-up" was a terrible experience... Getting the points "sanded"(corroded) so they would spark, the first condenser I put in was bad, but the NAPA one at least worked... Finally got some spark, and an engine that would run. Started off with my original coil. The spark seemed a little bit weak, but it was running. Got some good power by pulling the choke a little bit... Ran it for a little bit, and it just started running real weak, and died... "OK, let’s try that other coil". Ran quite a bit better, but still had to have the choke out a little. Not much, about a quarter inch pull. Ran for about an hour and a half. Got a little cutting done, and was headed back to the house with only about 400 feet to go, and the Bull Riding started. Real bad. Sounded like it was running out of gas,,, and stall. Wait about 30 seconds, and it would start right up, go about another 100 feet, start bucking, and die. Wait a minute, and it would go again for another 100 feet... Limped it up to the house, and parked it...
Really, I think I'm just venting! My tune-up "kit" was really not all there, (as I used some parts for the fix in my last post), the coil came from unknown origin, I'm sure the fuel filters need further investigation, and the carb could probably use a cleaning!!!
Yes, I'm just venting. My 2N has served me well, and I'm going to get the full on (brand new) tune-up kit, wires, plugs, and a new fuel bowl w/ filter! And I'm going to get the carb elbow filter cleaned out good. Maybe even a new 12v coil!
Thanks for being there guys, I'll keep you posted, and I'll be working on one system at a time to find out for sure!!!
Adam

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Bill Stanley

08-04-2004 13:21:06




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 Re: What a day! Bull Riding Part 3... in reply to Adam Paul, 08-02-2004 20:22:06  
<< Ran quite a bit better, but still had to have the choke out a little.
<< Sounded like it was running out of gas,,, and stall.

Adam, you continue to say things that indicate a fuel problem.

I am always in favor of the simplest; lowest cost, lowest effort, non-invasive solutions first. These include cleaning filters, hanging a temporary fuel tank, cleaning points, etc. Doing these things one at a time and testing takes longer but builds knowledge that will be useful in the future.

Most often changing parts randomly destroys the evidence and other problems are introduced. Changing points for instance introduces other issues like timing or pinched wires.

Once many years ago I used a matchbook to file the points on my 1949 Ford car. Pulled the car around the block for a week trying to get it to start. Fortunately after a week my Dad had the good common sense to have a mechanic come look at the car. In less than three minutes it ran again. In an emergency a dollar bill pulled through the points can be used to clean the points. Probably works with a hundred dollar bill also but I wouldn’t know.

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don b

08-03-2004 06:56:22




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 Re: What a day! Bull Riding Part 3... in reply to Adam Paul, 08-02-2004 20:22:06  
Speaking of venting..... make sure your gas tank vent is not clogged up. don



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Dan

08-03-2004 05:06:48




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 Re: What a day! Bull Riding Part 3... in reply to Adam Paul, 08-02-2004 20:22:06  
My 48 did this as well, after replacing the points, condensor, coil, and ballast resistor, it still bucked and stopped after a few seconds - I finally took my newly rebuilt carb off and shot carb cleaner through the passages opposite of air and fuel travel with the little straw. Put it back on and it started right up and ran strong for hours. Must have been something got stuck in a jet or something...

Might give this a try.

Good luck,
Dan

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souNdguy

08-03-2004 05:00:29




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 Re: What a day! Bull Riding Part 3... in reply to Adam Paul, 08-02-2004 20:22:06  
Good luck.

And I agree with the other post about sanding points.. leaves micro-groves that actually lower the contact area.

There are ..or used to be anyway.. specific files or hones for dressing point contacts. As Dell mentions sometimes you can burnish them with high quality polishing equipment ( jewlers equipment comes to mind ). I've used paper pulled thru the points to clean them.. coarse paper.. like brown paper bag.. etc... construction paper...

Don't even try to clean that carb elbow screen.. just replace it. The screen and elbow is about 1.80 at TSC.. is a new brass elbow with a new screen epoxy'ed in. The one on my 8n disintegrated, and pieces of it are all in the carb... I've got it off for a rebuild right now. Same thing was happening with the NAA.

Save the old brass elbow anyway if it is serviceable.. never know when you might need it for a fitting for a jury-rig.

Soundguy

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Fast Ed Ohio

08-02-2004 22:31:55




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 Re: What a day! Bull Riding Part 3... in reply to Adam Paul, 08-02-2004 20:22:06  
Ah, dont sand points, file them if you must , the grit from the sand paper makes for bad contact, ben there done that ,A clean piece of cloth or paper rubbed between closed points should help .



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Adam Paul

08-03-2004 04:53:50




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 Re: What a day! Bull Riding Part 3... in reply to Fast Ed Ohio, 08-02-2004 22:31:55  
Thanks Fast ED, actually I did use a file. I keep a nail file in my tool box and that worked pretty well.
In all of my "venting" I also forgot to mention I lost the (original brass) condenser/coil screw!!! It popped and flew off swapping condencers!!! Boy that was frustrating!!! I managed to make a new one out of a phillips screw, but can't believe I lost the origanal!!!
Hopefully next weeks tune-up will go better!!! Adam

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