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6 volt blunder...oh brudder

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RedTail

08-15-2004 20:30:36




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Just bought a 9N from a nice enough fellow, but dont think he knew much about tractors. Said he thought she was 12 volt and he jumped it with his truck (12 V of course), as it had been sitting unused since fall. Tractor starts up and runs fine.

Well i get it home and battery is mosltly dead which i knew. Put a voltmeter on it and it reads 5.5 volts. i jump it with my 6 volt 8N and she starts and runs fine. however, ammeter reads zero. I measure 5.5 V coming off alternator and at the voltage regulator.

My question is, what damage would jumping with 12 V have done? Is the alternator shot?? ALl help is appreciated..

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RedTail

08-16-2004 12:15:05




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 Re: 6 volt blunder...oh brudder in reply to RedTail, 08-15-2004 20:30:36  
Wellll, the battery does have three caps never knew that ,meant 6V Dell, thanks. (it amazes me they dont print 6 VOLTS in big letters on there, guess that would make it too simple)

The thing I think may be a voltage regulator is a brass colored metalic can (also with no labeling) behind the dash with two wires connected to it. It looks newish compared to all the wiring etc.

Gonna replace the batt. first and then take the alt/gen in as Dell suggests.

Jim, my bro and sis are shrinks, they still havent been able to figure me out, but if I need another one I will let you know.

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Dell (WA)

08-16-2004 19:45:40




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 Re: 6 volt blunder...oh brudder in reply to RedTail, 08-16-2004 12:15:05  
Red..... ...you write..... .."The thing I think may be a voltage regulator is a brass colored metalic can (also with no labeling) behind the dash with two wires connected to it. It looks newish compared to all the wiring etc"..... .bettcha thats the back of your AMMETER.

The common and most popular 12 volt conversion alternator is the Delco 10-SI which has a built-in solidstate voltage regulator.

The original 6-volt 9N had a 2-terminal roundcan cut-out relay on the steering column under the battery tray, and charging was controled by a screwdriver adjusted 3rd-brush on the back of the 9N's 1-terminal genny. The cut-out relay disconnects the genny gutts from the battery when the engine stopps so the battery doesn't drain down overnite thru the genny gutts..... .....Dell

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Dell (WA)

08-15-2004 22:16:28




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 Re: 6 volt blunder...oh brudder in reply to RedTail, 08-15-2004 20:30:36  
Redtail..... ....look at your battery. 3 water caps, its a 6 volt battery; 6 water caps its a 12 volt battery; simple, eh?

Yes, you can safely jump-start your tractor with a 12 volt battery to the STARTER MOTOR DIRECT. Starter don't care what jumper battery polarity is. 12 volt Alternator shouldn't care. 6 volt genny don't care.

Me? I'd take the alternator off and have it tested for FREE at an autoparts store, then you'd know..... ....Dell

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Rob N VA

08-15-2004 21:44:12




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 Re: 6 volt blunder...oh brudder in reply to RedTail, 08-15-2004 20:30:36  
Need a little more info here. Are you sure its an alternator? Stock 9N"s came with generators, and unless I am mistaken, did not come with voltage regulators. To my knowledge there aren"t any 6 volt alternators out there. I am guessing that you have a 6 volt generator system, but please confirm this. Depending how the 6 volt tractor was jump started, is depending on how much damage was done. Could have shorted out the generator, or the voltage regulator, but at least the battery didn"t blow up in your face. Please post back and let us know some more info, and we"ll try to help you more from there. --Rob

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Bob

08-15-2004 22:09:02




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 Re: 6 volt blunder...oh brudder in reply to Rob N VA, 08-15-2004 21:44:12  
Rob,

6 Volt alternators, both positive and negative ground, are readily available to the old tractor and antique car crowd, so it's certainly POSSIBLE he could have an alternator.

A boost with 12 Volts could well have blown the internal 6 Volt regulator, or on top of boosting with 12 Volts, he could have used the opposite ground polarity of what the alternator was set up for. The problem is, if it turns out to be a 6 Volt alternator, there is no easy way to determine this, and what polarity it was set up for by looking at the outside of the alternator.

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Rob N VA

08-16-2004 05:23:10




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 Re: 6 volt blunder...oh brudder in reply to Bob, 08-15-2004 22:09:02  
Well, I stand corrected! Learn something new every day I guess. Thanks for letting me know about those 6 volt alternators Bob!



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Jim Cox

08-16-2004 10:04:17




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 Re: 6 volt blunder...oh brudder in reply to Rob N VA, 08-16-2004 05:23:10  
if you REALLY WANT a six volt system with an alternator, here's the link. I can also hook you up with a psychiatrist. %^))

Jim Cox



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