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Jason - MO

08-18-2004 10:49:28




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I installed a vertical muffler on my 9N the other night, she sounds like a champ. I noticed the carb was very hot from the muffler pipe being so close. Will this cause any problems? Would a heat shield be advisable? The other question: At the connection between the muffler and the exhaust manifold is there a gasket? I have the muffler clamp completely tight and the muffler is loose and there is a small exhaust leak. Any ideas?

Thanks Jason

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Bruce (VA)

08-18-2004 13:01:20




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 Re: Exhaust Questions in reply to Jason - MO, 08-18-2004 10:49:28  
I took a 3 inch section of exhaust pipe the size of the inside diameter of the exhaust pipe and shoved it about 2 inches down the pipe, and put a dimple in the exhaust pipe to keep it from slidding down further. That gave me about one inch of pipe to slide up into the exhaust manifold. I used a good coating of Never-Seize on the nuts. Now, here is the tricky part.....I even wrote this down in the front of my I&T manual.....big side of the NH clamp DOWN! This is just the opposite of what Steve (below) advises. If you put the clamp on, snug it up & tap it a few times and the exhaust pipe just flops around against the manifold, the clamp is on upside down! Take it off & try again, and let us all know which side of the clamp goes down!

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Steve (Magnolia, TX)

08-18-2004 13:14:55




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 Re: Exhaust Questions in reply to Bruce (VA), 08-18-2004 13:01:20  
If I didn"t, I should"ve posted that I COULD be wrong (the difference in size should be "intuitively obvious"). Looks like I was. Sorry "bout that, I was writin" from memory... and it appears to be failin" me...

Steve



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Bruce (VA)

08-18-2004 13:45:56




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 Re: Exhaust Questions in reply to Steve (Magnolia, TX), 08-18-2004 13:14:55  
I don't know that you are wrong! I could have put it on correctly and wrote it down wrong! I'm getting a case of CRS! But, I do know that the exhaust pipe will just flop around on the manifold if it the clamp is upside down.....I am sure about that!!



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Steve (Magnolia, TX)

08-18-2004 14:12:51




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 Re: Exhaust Questions in reply to Bruce (VA), 08-18-2004 13:45:56  
Well, one of us is right and I ain"t takin" no bets that it"s me!!

I will agree with you (wholeheartedly) that the exhaust pipe will just flop around on the manifold if the clamp is upside down. You should be able to eyeball it real close and get it right...

Steve



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Rob

08-18-2004 11:43:25




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 One other thing. in reply to Jason - MO, 08-18-2004 10:49:28  
That heat might come from a lean fuel mix. Back out the carb main adjust 1/8-turn and see if it still gets hot like that. If you get to where you see a puff of smoke when you start the engine, goose the throttle, or load it up you might want to turn the adjust back in just a bit, 1/16-turn might get it.



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Rob

08-18-2004 11:31:25




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 Re: Exhaust Questions in reply to Jason - MO, 08-18-2004 10:49:28  
Jason I've been running that exhaust stack and I wonder why it doesn't heat up the fuel line and become a problem. It doesn't and I'm about to stop wondering about it, any day now. It doesn't bother the carb either.
I finally got my clamp tight. I put the nuts on hard finger-tight, took the rachet handle and rapped on the bottom side of both halves of the clamp, tightened the nuts 1/2-turn, rapped on underside of both clamp halves again, and torqued the nuts. She's nice and tight now. I think you can hold that clamp high up on the manifold as you tighten it and do the same thing.

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Bob - MI

08-18-2004 11:10:24




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 Re: Exhaust Questions in reply to Jason - MO, 08-18-2004 10:49:28  
I had a small leak with a new muffler and found that the lip on the muffler that meets up with the bevel on the manifold had a small ding in it. This was enough to prevent it from sealing. I carefully straightened the flared area and achieved a good seal.

I also used anti-sieze on the bolts. I bet I will have them off again sometime.



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souNdguy

08-18-2004 11:08:53




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 Re: Exhaust Questions in reply to Jason - MO, 08-18-2004 10:49:28  
If you have the vertical exhaust routed very close to the carb, and it bothers you, fabricate a heat shield. Take a look at a semi-truck.. there are various styles that could be easilly copied using a flat section from some scrap roofing tin, or some metal flashing, or even a cut from a section of stove exhaust pipe.. In fact.. walking the isle at a home depot, there will probably be a dozen things you could use. Metal riser tubes for gas water heater exhaust.. metal tube for dryer vent.. etc.

Upu could mount it offset from the muffler itself. For brackets, you could cut and form the metal, if sturdy enough.. like roofing tin, to have integral legs that touch the pipe in 3 places at the top and 3 at the bottom.. and then bend those legs over to make a flat tab where they touch the exhaust pipe.. then use band clamps to hold them on.

Alternately, radioshack sells antenna mast clamps.. they are a band clamp that has a mast on it that is made to keep a wire 2-3" from the mast. That mast could also be used to offset your heat shield.. probably only need 2 of them..

Guess you could also fashionsoem sort of plate that juts out from the engine and seterates them too... or if you have a welder, or torch. tack a small shield on the muffler itself.

The oem clamp has a top and bottom. If you have it tight and the union is loose.. you may have it flipped. If your muffler flange simply doesn't fit good due to the aftermarket design.. or if it is from a different tractor.. take a soda can and cut a strip out around the can.. use that strip as a gasket, and wrap it around the union of the manifold and the muffler.. then clamp the clamp on. It it was real leaky.. might even add some muffler pucky to the soda can strip and clamp it on.

Soundguy

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Bill in WI

08-18-2004 11:05:27




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 Re: Exhaust Questions in reply to Jason - MO, 08-18-2004 10:49:28  
As I learned on this forum, there is an up and down side to the clamp. I had mine on upside down and never could get it tight enough until I completely removed the clamp and flipped it over. Even thought I was missing a gasket too! Once I got the clamp flipped over it is as tight as I want it to be.



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Steve (Magnolia, TX)

08-18-2004 10:59:16




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 Re: Exhaust Questions in reply to Jason - MO, 08-18-2004 10:49:28  
I"ve been running a vertical exhaust on my "50 8N for close to a year, now. I"ve had no problems with the exhaust being that close to the carb.
As to the leak, it is possible to install that muffler clamp upside down (yea, I"ve done it). There"s a "small" side to the clamp, it should go down (on the exhaust pipe) with the "big" side on the manifold. IF you"ve got the clamp on correctly and it still leaks, you can create your own "gasket" (as there isn"t one for it). Cut a strip ~1" or so wide, just long enough to overlap, a little, out of an aluminum can (you know, the beverage of your choice) and wrap it around the junction of the exhaust pipe and the manifold, then reinstall the clamp. That should do "er.

Steve

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