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Phil from MD

08-25-2004 15:00:47




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I want to disc and plow my field (currently 1 acre of grass) with my 8N this fall and get it ready for planting in the spring. I do not have a disc and plow and have some questions as I know nothing about doing this and where to look to buy the disk and plow.

1. How many bottom plow will I need? What do I look for in a plow? 3. How big of a disk can I pull properly? What do I loook for in a disk?
4. Does someone make these implements new? I would rather buy one working than have to mess with an old one to get it to work.
5. Is this going to be a big undertaking? Is there a science to setting up a plow and disc?
6. Should I kill the grass with ROundup before I plow?

I love my 8N. Would love to be able to use it for plowing and putting in the garden. Help appreciated.

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Hobo, NC

08-26-2004 17:36:20




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 Re: Disc and Plow for 8N in reply to Phil from MD, 08-25-2004 15:00:47  
mite as well save this its good info to have when ya get yer plow
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Phil in Ohio

08-26-2004 04:59:49




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 Re: Disc and Plow for 8N in reply to Phil from MD, 08-25-2004 15:00:47  
Here's what has worked well for me.
Starting from old sod ground is alot tougher than previously worked ground. You'll need a bushog to cut the grass down as low as possible. Cut in stages from high to low to reduce any long stringy bunches of grass or seed stems that will load up on the leading edge of your plow. Run your disc over your sod several times(preferably with added weight)to help break up sod and any long grasses left. Plow and disc to your heart's content. Any plow book is a must if you've never done it. Paid 250.00 for used 5' king cutter bushog,160.00 for old but like new 12" two bottom ferguson plow, 75.00 for ancient 6'3 pt disc thats older than I am and looks worse, but works well. Good luck, you'll need it. It's a learning curve that can out last you, especially plowing. Started with 8n which worked for several years, bought a 640 last year and will never go back to 8n for plowing, unless I have to. I enjoy it all to no end. Best money and sweat I've spent.

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ozob

08-25-2004 18:30:44




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 Re: Disc and Plow for 8N in reply to Phil from MD, 08-25-2004 15:00:47  
If you're a'craving to have implements of your own, get yourself a two-disc turning plow and/or a bush and bog (cutting) harrow. This would work well on your site and you would always have them. Use the turning plow in fall and disc with the bush and bog harrow a couple of times before spring planting. You can find used implements through your farm sales bulletin and save a wad. Just be sure the discs turn easily before you buy. Using a week killer kills nutrients and foliage that is beneficial to your soil. Plow it under.

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Upper Peninsula, Mich.

08-25-2004 17:32:48




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 Re: Disc and Plow for 8N in reply to Phil from MD, 08-25-2004 15:00:47  
Hi Phil from MD. I don't pretend to be a farmer, but I do build and maintain a few acres of wildgame food plots south of Lake Superior. It's your choice as to buy or rent. I prefere to buy and then I have what I need when I need it. You said "presently 1 acre." I get the idea you may be planting more acres in the future, even more reason to buy your own. I have used RoundUp fairly successfuly, but prefer to plow the area at this time of the year about every two weeks for 3-6 times, or about 2 months with the intention of planting in the spring. This does a good job at eventually killing the weeds and ends as good as good or better than spraying RoundUp . RoundUp does well, but when you cultivate the ground the old seeds lying dormant are turned over and up comes more weeds again.Of course you cold always use the No Till methode. It's your choice on all items. The end result will be about the same, but it might be a little cheaper to cultivate an acre 3-6 times two weeks apart and it provides some quality tractor time. There are other products other than RoundUp. Some are selectiv in that they kill only plants you wish to get rid of. Check them out before you decide. Whatever you end up with, be carefull with the implements, Weed Killers, and the tractor and above all, Have fun. Good luck. Ron

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Hobo, NC

08-25-2004 17:17:42




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 Re: Disc and Plow for 8N in reply to Phil from MD, 08-25-2004 15:00:47  
Like you I am a small time farmer, a disc, bottom plow and cultivator is about all you will need to farm your small garden. Even being a small time farmer I fell lik"a big time farmer when i am plow"n. Its fun to figure out how to do it the old way. some were i have a link to setting up a bottom plow by Zane. I tryed the rotor deal and had to fight to much grass, now i turn it and disc
Keep a look"n sum"N will turn up. i went out and got a new disc and field cultivator, rite after i spent the 1K fer"em I ran up on a deal and got five implements and a 8n for 1200.00. this week I pic"ed up a 600 ford and four inplements for a song. More stuff went with it but I could not find it all in the brush that had grown around the barn. If i had not had a tow truck i would not have been able to pull what i got out of the brush. If ya plant corn look out for a corn planter, picked up one this winter fer 150.00 and planted all my corn in 10 min., Use to plant it by hand and what a job as wet as it has been had to replant a couple times. ya need to start look"n at the classifieds every day, local and here. I think I just missed a Bush Hog finish mower to day for 250.00, I called about 8 and told him it would be bout 6 befor I could get their, called bout 5 and he said someone was on their way to look at it and i would be next to get a shot at it, I have not got the call yet, this work"n is"a killing me, should"a went at first lite. Stop and talk to every old person you see a plant"n a garden, most will be more than glad to talk and help train ya, may even put ya on to a implement at a deal.

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denton

08-25-2004 16:43:39




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 Re: Disc and Plow for 8N in reply to Phil from MD, 08-25-2004 15:00:47  
Dad used to let me plow our small tobacco plots with an 8n with a 2 bottom plow. I had no skills or training. And I was young. Turned out OK.
Disking was more fun as I used to love to ride the tractor and the more disking the looser it got.

I think go for it if you want to learn and have some fun. You will do great. If you are looking for time vs money I agree with the rent a rototiller.

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Dell (WA)

08-25-2004 16:02:50




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 Re: Disc and Plow for 8N in reply to Phil from MD, 08-25-2004 15:00:47  
Phil..... ...You and I ain't gonna believe what I'm about to suggest. For 1 acre of ground and NO IMPLEMENTS, yer better served renting a small tractor with roto-tiller for the 1 hr that it will take you to till yer acre.

Heres the deal. Even used implements gonnna cost ya about $250 each. New implements about $500+. Small tractor with roto-tiller gonnna cost ya $100/hr to rent.

The rest of the deal. N-Tractors are NOT ROTO-TILLING machines, period!!! They're 2-bottom plowing machines.

To answer your questions. 1) The N-Tractor was designed to pull 2 (ea) 14" plows ...ie... 2-bottom plow. It took 4 horses to pull a 2-bottom plow. New cat-1, 14" 2-bottom plows are $500.
3) The N-Tractor will pull a 6' cat-1 3-point tandom disc (the most common; looks like an "X") $700; or 7' off-set (looks like a "V") Most off-set discs are NOT 3-point liftable.
4) Yes, there are several short-line implement manufacturers, House, Lineback, Brushhog, are several mfgs. 5) Yes, there is some science to being a plowman, and setting up a plow. There are many instructions available on "how to plow" including, would you believe?, your N-Ford OWNERS MANUAL. 6) Kill your grass with round-up? Depends upon your cultivation practices and what you are going to do with your newly plowed ground. Remember, everytime you plow, you bring new "weedseed" to the surface. You also have to consider soil and moisture conservation.

But as a general rule, overwinter fallow plowing, you don't spray to kill vegetation 'cuz the plowing will do that. And besides next spring you will have to work the ground again to gittitt ready for whatever you're gonnna be growing, SPRAY THEN, and kill the weeds.

Farmers gottalong for many years with mechanical weed control, and took pride in having a clean field. Weeds are any plant growing someplace un-wanted. Alfalfa growing in a corn field is a weed. Yet alfalfa is a great rotational crop to use with corn because alfalfa puts NITROGEN into the soil and corn NEEDS nitrogen to really produce..... .....Dell

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TIMW(PA)

08-25-2004 17:15:38




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 PLOW BOOK in reply to Dell (WA), 08-25-2004 16:02:50  
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Search around for the manual "PLOW BOOK" maybe someone here knows where to find one. But if you can find one, it offers a great deal of advice on how to set up and use the two bottom plow for the N tractor



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