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Jeff-oh

08-26-2004 09:49:36

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Ok, Dell, Sounder and others.... your thoughts please.

At the Ferguson Show this year, one of the guys said and demonstrated the bracket, below the top link in this picture, was an add on to give position control.

The theory, is since the draft control link is removed from the control loop then the lift stays where it is put.

I have to say that when I hook up to this bracket on my tractor I never have a problem with the mower floating out of position.... No fancy feedback loops. Homemade or otherwise...

Jeff

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Wayne in Iowa

08-26-2004 17:56:39

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-26-2004 09:49:36

Zane, you are of my vintage. (Ford dealership from 57-64) The refered to bracket came with a Dearborn 14-16 mower along with two rods to lenghten the distance to the liftarms.And I aggree that it has nothing to do with draft or position control

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Wayne in Iowa

08-26-2004 17:59:34

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Wayne in Iowa, 08-26-2004 17:56:39

Sorry about the double post

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Wayne in Iowa

08-26-2004 17:56:04

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-26-2004 09:49:36

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rickintxas

08-26-2004 14:32:46

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-26-2004 09:49:36

It seems to me that this device works the same as limiter chains. you would have to shorten or lengthen the top link to control the height. OR ANOTHER THOUGHT the lift hydraulics would slowly drift down and position could not be maintained over time, depending how tight your hydraulics were.

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ZANE

08-26-2004 13:47:25

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-26-2004 09:49:36

That is not a "position control bracket" It is a bracket for the sickle bar mower to hang from. The Dearborn sickle mower was used without any lifting control. It just hung on the back of the tractor by this bracket and the two lift arms.
I don't know what the model number was or is but I do know for sure of what I speak because I wore one out and sold parts for them when the 8Ns were still the work horse around these parts and I was a parts man in a Ford Tractor dealership.

There would be no point in having such an imaginary bracket for position control of the 9N/2N because they don't have position control anyway unless they have a ZANE THANG installed and the 8N does not need any such bracket because they already have position control function that is not affected by the action of the top link once the mode lever is changed from draft to position. You can jam that top link in as forcefully as you want and it will not affect the position mode on the 8N.

Zane

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Jeff-oh

08-26-2004 14:54:08

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to ZANE, 08-26-2004 13:47:25

9N/2N can have position control without a your devise. There is the FERGY POSITIONER, and a SIMPLE MAKE YOUR SELF under $20 position control option too.

I only bring it up because only one of the several options was presented.

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Jeff-oh

08-26-2004 13:04:01

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-26-2004 09:49:36

Here is the closeup of the position control bracket.

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Jeff-oh

08-26-2004 13:00:11

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Position Control Bracket.-Picture in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-26-2004 09:49:36

Here is the bracket from the FENA Show.

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Dell (WA)

08-26-2004 11:18:19

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-26-2004 09:49:36

Jeff..... ....yep, that'd work. It would "by-pass" the springloaded 3-point hydraulic control circuit. Just as the 8N's position/draft control lever blocks the hydraulic feedback lever linkage under yer buttbuckett. Remember the little lever is not for flushing, its horizontal for draft/plowing and vertical for all elevation controlled (lifted) implements like brushhoggin'..... ...Dell

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Jeb2N

08-26-2004 10:17:21

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-26-2004 09:49:36

I would be interested in knowing exactly how you accomplish this feat. Since the toplink is a solid member with a hole in it, and the 9N/2N only has ONE ear/tab/nub with a hole in it for the rocker to attach to; how do you attach these two together? Since the rocker arm is designed like a clevis, it fits over and around the pivot ear on the rear section casting. You can't mount a solid bar to another solid bar without them being side by side and that would just be a poor linkage. Besides, I don't see how there's enough physical clearance between the holes and the castings to get the toplink to fit in there and get the holes to line up without using the rocker.

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Jeff-oh

08-26-2004 10:53:15

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Jeb2N, 08-26-2004 10:17:21

Huhhh???? Sorry I could not follow what you were talking about.

The top link attaches just like in the pic. only on the lower bracket shown. This would be the same as if the top link were attached in the set of holes just above it in the pic (i.e. the ones with out a pin or the set above that... the one with the pin going through them.

The bracket I am discussing is the set below where the link is attached. where a pin can be passed through transverse to the tractor axis.

Sorry I must be dense, I could not follow/visulize when you talked about two solid bars having to connect....

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Jeb2N

08-26-2004 13:33:43

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-26-2004 10:53:15

Oh, so you have been using the sickle bar attachment fork (lower clevis device) to hook up the toplink....gotcha now. I was thinking you just completely removed all the rocker arm, mower clevis and everything and somehow pinned the toplink beside the pivot nub....i'm with you now. I never thought of bypassing the draft control that way. Interesting.

Jeb

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Jeff-oh

08-26-2004 13:44:18

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Jeb2N, 08-26-2004 13:33:43

So it was origionally for a sikle bar cutter. I never used that bracket before July. The guy there was selling it as a position control. I had an origional on my tractor and you are right the origional is a little skinny for a normal top link. The ones at the show were wide enough for a normal top link.

It does seem to work good though.

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John N KY

08-26-2004 12:08:16

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Re: Position Control Bracket. in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-26-2004 10:53:15

I read somewhere that the bracket is for use with a hay cutter, it was part of the hookup as well as the original under axle stablizer with the extra hole below the pin.

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Rob

08-26-2004 10:13:23

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So that's what that is! in reply to Jeff-oh, 08-26-2004 09:49:36

Well that sounds good to me. My N's don't have that bracket.

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9n adrian

08-26-2004 14:16:50

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Re: So that's what that is! in reply to Rob, 08-26-2004 10:13:23

So you mean if i add this bracket to my 9n I would get position control like the 8ns? Will it work for things like hoggin and box blading?

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Rob

08-26-2004 15:08:57

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Re: So that's what that is! in reply to 9n adrian, 08-26-2004 14:16:50

That's right. It's like this, that big spring behind the seat is all about draft control. If you don't connect top link to that spring there is no draft control adjusting the mower height all the time. The the lift arms still work fine but there is no draft control drift. I pull my mower with the lift arms but I don't use a top link. I can raise and lower the the arms just fine.
That bracket would give a guy a place to put the top link and raise the mower to transport position. I trailer my mower anyway so I don't need transport position or that bracket. Nevertheless that bracket is an elegant solution to the drifting mower height situation.

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