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Ramrod

09-06-2004 07:04:03

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Thinking about moving away from rattle cans...

Can y'all provide insight on paint guns and equipment, as well as techniques and tips please? I have spent some body shop time, but never actually painted with a gun. Regarding my current NAA rebuild.

Ramrod

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Adam Paul

09-06-2004 18:50:24

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Re: Painting Equipment and Tips Please in reply to Ramrod, 09-06-2004 07:04:03

Don't !!!
Now that I have yor attention, don't spray with hardener without a positive supplied air facemask. Breathing the Iso's can be fatal!!!
Go to the paint and bodywork forum. I'd write more, but I'm not at a keyboard. (laying in bed, thumb typing)
Adam

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Outlaw (Magnolia, TX)

09-06-2004 15:14:29

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Re: Painting Equipment and Tips Please in reply to Ramrod, 09-06-2004 07:04:03

I got my experience from painting oilfield tools while living in Alaska.
Plus watching American HotRod.. :)
When you start the body work, I would think it would be better to replace with sheet metal, especially when on a tractor...never can tell when that tree is going to jump out in front of ya.. :)
when you cut the cancer out, cut your fresh metal to the same size and spot weld the area as you would if you were tightening lug nuts on a wheel...across from each other, until its completely filled, then grind smooth. Then fill with body filler to remove the imperfections...

You can spray primer from a gun, you just have to make sure that its thin enough...when you thin your paint, **use NAPTHA for all thinning purposes...** also, always ALWAYS use a strainer for your paint..
either a gravity feed gun or a canister is your choice...I prefer a gravity feed, as I get a constant flow of paint.
Dependin on how smooth you want your final paint, you can either color sand or not...your choice
I"d say no more than 2-3 coats of your primary color would be your best bet...

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Russ in SoCal

09-06-2004 11:39:12

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Re: Painting Equipment and Tips Please in reply to Ramrod, 09-06-2004 07:04:03

Ramrod,
Eric covered it pretty well. If you want, go to the paint and body forum here at YT. Some extremely good knowledge available.

PB is not peanut butter

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Ramrod

09-06-2004 18:46:06

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Re: Painting Equipment and Tips Please in reply to Russ in SoCal, 09-06-2004 11:39:12

Thanks Rus, I'll spend some time there, looks like a great place to pick up some wisdom.

Ramrod

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Ramrod

09-06-2004 11:29:13

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Re: Painting Equipment and Tips Please in reply to Ramrod, 09-06-2004 07:04:03

Thanks guys for the comments and suggestions. Almost all of my sheet metal is new, as my NAA came with a 600 hood on it. That oughta make it a bit easier to finish, all off the tractor and such. I always loved tinkering around the body shop when I was a kid, but they never let me paint. That's gonna change, gotta NAA to finish.

Ramrod

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Eric ATL

09-06-2004 09:20:48

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Re: Painting Equipment and Tips Please in reply to Ramrod, 09-06-2004 07:04:03

Ramrod, I've sprayed with standard air cup guns. They produce a lot of overspray. I recently got a Campbell Hausfeld HVLP gun (about $80.00) the kind with the cup on top. It's a nice gun. I run mine at about 32 PSI. The biggest learning curve is thinning the material you're spraying to the right viscosity. Not too thick, not too thin. Keep lots of test surfaces around. Cardboard boxes work for me. Test the pattern and flow until you're comfortable before you spray your actual project. Unfortunately with all the different materials out there it's all trial and error. Learn what's best for you. I don't spray primer with the gun. I still use cans for that. The primer dries too quickly and clogs up the tip of the gun. It's also one extra step in cleanup. Overlap your passes with the paint at an even rate keeping a wet edge. Keep the gun tip at 90 degrees from the surface at all times. Begin spraying before you pass over your project and go past the end of your project before releasing the trigger. If you just run to the edge and start back the paint will load up at the edges and is more likely to run. Avoid runs if at all possible. They are a bear to sand out and you have to wait till it dries to sand and spray again. It's a great feeling to do a nice paint job on something. Practice, practice, practice. Hope to help, Eric

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Upper Peninsula, Mi

09-06-2004 09:28:19

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Re: Painting Equipment and Tips Please in reply to Eric ATL, 09-06-2004 09:20:48

Erik ATL. You helped me. I'm getting ready to do some work on the "93" GMC Pickup. It has some spots rusted thru and want to clean it up and give it a new paint job. Not sure how to handle the rusted thru spots. Two are pretty good size, one each side under the extended cab.Couple of small ones on each front fender. Any ideas would be appreciated. Ron

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MikeT

09-06-2004 10:31:37

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Re: Painting Equipment and Tips Please in reply to Upper Peninsula, Mi, 09-06-2004 09:28:19

The gas tank compartment lid on my 8N fell off due to rust. I enlarged the holes with my Dremel and welded in thin steel washers with the correct size center hole. Ground them down relatively smooth and filled with Bondo and sanded. Primed and finished with a CH finish gun bought at Home Depot for about $30. I run it at about 40 lbs pressure off my 25 gallon compressor.

I would do all spraying with the parts off the vehicler. Either that, or use lots of wide masking tape and newspaper sheets.

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Eric ATL

09-06-2004 10:09:15

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Re: Painting Equipment and Tips Please in reply to Upper Peninsula, Mi, 09-06-2004 09:28:19

UP MI, Don't know if I can help on the body work. My painting and finishing experience comes from finishing furniture. The only body work I've done was when I was 17 and had a 68 Firebird to fix up. For big rusted out fender holes I tapped in the edges just a little at an angle all the way around. I then pop riveted in a piece of sheet metal from the back side. Then I filled the area with fiberglass cloth and resin. Finished it off with Bondo and body filler. It looked pretty darn good by the time I was done. I don't know how long the repair lasted as my dad had sold the car when I went off to college. It may not be the best way. It's just the way I did it. I'm sure other people on the forum have much more experience than I do. Hope to help, Eric

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Upper Peninsula, Mich

09-06-2004 11:06:50

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Re: Painting Equipment and Tips Please in reply to Eric ATL, 09-06-2004 10:09:15

Erik. I did the same in High School. Took a 41 Ford Coup completely apart, body off the frame etc. Removed all the fender welts and leaded in everything, including the hood which at that time came in two pieces. It must have weighed a couple of hundred pounds more with all the lead we put in and on it. Never rusted again though. I'm leaning to fiber glassing all the rust holes, but may look around for replacement panels for under the extended cab.There may other ways to fix the bad spots and will look around. Thanks for getting back. Ron

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