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Outlaw (Magnoli

09-11-2004 17:21:00




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gettin fuel - new plug wires, rotor, points, dist. cap, voltage reg., ignition switch, bat. cables *1gauge*
cleaned connections, made sure they were tight

after which, amp meter was showing no movement when key was on.
my dad said that there was no fire to the plugs, which by the way were re-gapped to .028 as per manual. *.025-.028*
he's now sitting in the shop staring at the tractor trying to figure out whats wrong...
you guys have any ideas?

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BillM (OH)

09-11-2004 22:22:39




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 Re: 8n with no fire in reply to Outlaw (Magnolia, TX), 09-11-2004 17:21:00  
If you run the checks below and coil voltage is OK at the top of the coil and your distributor point circuit is not grounded somewhere, gently stretch the "springy thingy" on the bottom of the coil to make sure it's contacting the distributor contact screw head, and make sure your coil bail is holding the coil down tight..... ammeter not showing discharge with ignition on and points closed means open circuit....

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souNdguy

09-11-2004 21:36:56




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 Re: 8n with no fire in reply to Outlaw (Magnolia, TX), 09-11-2004 17:21:00  
Make sure those points are opening and closing.. use an ohm meter if you have to.. or make a voltage check at the top of the coil..
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garryh

09-11-2004 19:53:42




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 Re: 8n with no fire in reply to Outlaw (Magnolia, TX), 09-11-2004 17:21:00  
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Outlaw (Magnolia, TX)

09-11-2004 18:33:23




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 Re: 8n with no fire in reply to Outlaw (Magnolia, TX), 09-11-2004 17:21:00  
oh..btw its a 6v system...forgot to add that



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MikeT

09-11-2004 18:18:02




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 Re: 8n with no fire in reply to Outlaw (Magnolia, TX), 09-11-2004 17:21:00  
Is this steve? Is this a front or a side mount distributor? 6V or 12V?

See if the coil is firing. Pull the center wire off of the top of the distributor. Put a piece of wire in the end of the distributor wire and hold the other end of the wire close to the engine block while someone turns the engine over with the starter. It should show a blue spark every time the points open.

Put the coil wire back in the distributor and pull out one of the spark plugs. Hook the spark plub wire to the plug and lay the plug on its side on top of the block. Crank the engine again. Does the plug produce a blue spark?

If not, then either 1) coil is bad, 2) points not working, 3) bad condenser, or 4) not getting voltage to the coil primary winding.

Use a voltmeter to see if there is voltage at the coil when the ignition switch is on.

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Outlaw (Magnolia, TX)

09-11-2004 18:31:51




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 Re: 8n with no fire in reply to MikeT, 09-11-2004 18:18:02  
ok...this 8n has a front mounted distributor with the coil attached to the dist.
so no coil wire itself.

the only thing that has not been replaced was the coil and the gennie.
How do you test the gennie to see if its working properly?



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Harry /NY.

09-11-2004 20:22:13




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 Re: 8n with no fire in reply to Outlaw (Magnolia, TX), 09-11-2004 18:31:51  
Hi outlaw had the same problem check to see that you have power at the top of coil if so with a continuity tester check the insulation inside the distributer where the points and condencer hook together, the screw where they hook together has to be insulated away from the distributer housing if not no spark. good luck



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david - or

09-11-2004 18:46:54




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 Re: 8n with no fire in reply to Outlaw (Magnolia, TX), 09-11-2004 18:31:51  
The generator has nothing to do with cranking the engine or creating spark to allow the plugs to fire and the engine to start. The generator only serves to charge the battery once the tractor is running. Your tractor is not running so the generator does not matter -- the tractor should start and run off the battery with the generator sitting on your workbench.

The ammeter should show a slight discharge when the points are closed (the current through the ballast resistor and coil). The fact that you don't even get a flicker when you turn the key on suggests that current is not flowing to the coil from the battery. See if you have voltage to the coil. If you don't, trace the wiring back and find out why not.

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MikeT

09-11-2004 18:40:33




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 Re: 8n with no fire in reply to Outlaw (Magnolia, TX), 09-11-2004 18:31:51  
Test the voltage at the battery. With engine not running btry should show about 12 volts. With the engine at a fast idle, the btry should show about 13-14 volts. If not, then genny ain't working.

But, you can't get it to run!

Hmmm, charge the btry up real good tonight and do the tests without the genny hooked up.

How far is it to Magnolia from Katy?



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DON TX

09-11-2004 19:36:21




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 Re: 8n with no fire in reply to MikeT, 09-11-2004 18:40:33  
Hey Mike, He said 6v. Do you know the voltage values he should be getting for a 6v system, I don't. I'm electronicly challanged. (%^)
DON TX



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MikeT

09-11-2004 21:22:10




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 Re: 8n with no fire in reply to DON TX, 09-11-2004 19:36:21  
Don -

I find it better to use an ampmeter insetad of a voltmeter. Regardless of whether it's a 12V or a 6V system, you should have about 4 amps (for a 4 cylinder engine with points) flowing in the coil circuit when the points are closed and the engine is hot.

so, in a 6 volts 4 cylinder system, you need about 1.5 ohms total in the coil circuit when the engine is hot. That includes the resistance in the coil primary winding and in any other type of resistors in the circuit.

In a 12V system you need about 3 ohms, total, in the coil circuit. 12V coils labelled with "External resistor not required" will have the 3 ohms in the primary winding and no external resistors are necessary.

The ballast resistors are variable resistors. When they are cool, they have less resistance. This gives more current to the coil to make the tractor easier to start. As they get hot, the resistance goes up and the coil current goes down to approximately 4 amps.

If you have a volt/amp meter, follow the user instructions on how to hook it up to get amperage readings. (put the two leads in series with the coil circuit and set it to read AMPS)

Put the ampmeter in the coil circuit and rotate the engine by hand till the points are closed. If the reading is more than about 4 amps on a 12V system (with the proper coil), or more than 6 amps on a cold 6V system, then something is wrong. You could heat the ballast resistor with a heat lamp if you wanted to and take another reading. When it is hot you would want about 4 amps.

With 6 cylinder engines with points you want 6-8 amps in the coil circuit.

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