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Gentlemen, I screwed up royally

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Pete in Michiga

09-23-2004 17:29:40




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Well guys, I messed up. In preparing my 9N for the tear-down to fix the rear leak discussed earlier, as well as upgrade the PTO shaft and fix the leak there, I pulled the tractor out of the garage and washed it. I thought this would make the repair a little easier to do, with the bolt heads clean, etc. Well, they ARE clean. But after the bath the tractor will not start. Not even a cough. I'm assuming something got wet that really didn't want to, and now it's showing it's displeasure. Anyway, what do you think? I purchased the manuals mentioned to me on this board, but they haven't arrived yet. Further complicating the problem is the fact someone in the last 63 years "upgraded" the electrical system to 12 volt. It's a mess, to say the least. I intend to purchase an actual conversion kit for my toy, but am unsure if I would be able to hook it up with the current system being spliced everywhere. Some of the connections get so hot they would burn your hand quickly. So, do you suggest I buy a full wiring harness, install it, and then hook the conversion kit up to that (what kit do you all suggest), or would I be better off not buying a new harness, but trying to get the current one to interface with the kit? I'm leaning towards the harness just because I know less about electric routing than I do about 9N's, as difficult as that is to fathom. As always, thanks for the help. One more thing. While I have the left trumpet off to fix the leak, what else other than the PTO should I pay attention to? Thanks!

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souNdguy

09-23-2004 22:01:56




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 Re: Gentlemen, I screwed up royally in reply to Pete in Michigan, 09-23-2004 17:29:40  
I reccomend you download a wire diagram that matches your alternator setup ( 3 wire / 1 wire )... try nseries,com

Then get a stock harness from a cheapy place.. like tsc, cause you will be modifying it a tad.

In the mean time.. you can bypass lots of things and just jumper wires, and your resistor(s) and wire right from the battery to the resistor(s) to the coil.. disconenct the other wireing fromthe resistors and the coil after making good notes and marking the wires.

Like the others said.. twisted together hodge-podge of wires that get hot doesn't sound great for good sparks..

no need to get a new 12v kit unless you want to. If your alternator is charging.. it is just a matter of new wireing..

Soundguy

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GAJIM

09-23-2004 19:53:15




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 Re: Gentlemen, I screwed up royally in reply to Pete in Michigan, 09-23-2004 17:29:40  
I had a similar problem with my 12 Volt 8N about 10 days ago. After several days of rain it would not even cough. Check inside the distributor and if it's wet, dry the cap, rotor, points, etc. off with an air hose. Put iot back together and spray the OUTSIDE of the distributor, cap, plug wires, plugs, coil, etc, with WD40. Wait a minute or 2 and try to start it. My 8N cranked when the 1st cylinder went past top dead center and ran like new! Try it; it just might work.

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DON TX

09-23-2004 19:43:01




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 Re: Gentlemen, I screwed up royally in reply to Pete in Michigan, 09-23-2004 17:29:40  
The lower 3pt pins in the bottom of the trumpet should be checked for tightness and leaking. The time is now to repair or fix. Clean out the sludge in the gear case, and a general inspection of that area. HTH
DON TX



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Rob N VA

09-23-2004 19:39:38




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 Re: Gentlemen, I screwed up royally in reply to Pete in Michigan, 09-23-2004 17:29:40  
I highly recommend returning to a 6 volt electrical system. If it was me, I would find a generatorfrom somewhere that was cheap, have it overhauled at a starter/alternator shop (heck, might even find one there!) slap that puppy on, and rewire it. You might spend 100-150 bucks on the un-conversion, but you wil save headaches in the future. Just my opinion! If I had my way about it, I would go to everyone's house that had a 12 volt conversion and help them switch it back. Maybe I'm just a purist. On the other hand, maybe you want 12 volts. In that case, I would suggest that you check that you have spark by pulling a spark plug wire and checking for bright blue spark. If you have no spark, I would check to see if your distributor is wet on the inside. From there I would just check your wiring to find what has gone wrong. Post back and let us know what you find. Hope I helped----Rob

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Larry 8N75381

09-23-2004 18:21:26




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 Re: Gentlemen, I screwed up royally in reply to Pete in Michigan, 09-23-2004 17:29:40  
Pete,

Since you are "electrically chalanged" (grin) I would suggest that you talk to the Barkley"s and go back to the ORIGINAL 6V system. I say that because then everyone that can help you here on the board will know EXACTLY what you arte talking about because it is the original wiring system.

That said, if you are going to stay with the 12V, then get something that has someone like the Barkley"s standing behind it so you have a place to ask your questions when you need help.

I am more concerned with the comment, "Some of the connections get so hot they would burn your hand quickly." Hot connections are very BAD!! They should NEVER be hot. If they are hot then there is either too much resistance in the connection - not "clean, bright and tight!" - as you will hear Dell say over and over. OR the connection is carrying TOO much current - not good either - since that probably means that you are going to burn out something. MAN, you need new wiring! Pull that N into the garage and get after fixing it.

The problem could be as simple as water around the distributer. A hair dryer may dry it out enough to get it started.

Good luck,
Suspect some more of the guys will chime in here as the day wears on.
Larry

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Jeb2N

09-23-2004 18:20:59




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 Re: Gentlemen, I screwed up royally in reply to Pete in Michigan, 09-23-2004 17:29:40  
Ah yes, the good ole "Gave it a bath and now i'm stranded" bit....it's more common than you think. I was in the same boat when I started my 2N restoration. What i've discovered is that the distributor has little vent screens on a couple sides to allow moisture to escape during the damp mornings. Unfortunately, that also lets moisture IN when you wash the tractor.

The result of a water-logged distributor is no starties. Try it again after it's had a chance to dry out good (like 24 hours later). If it starts up, that was probably it. If it still doesn't start, you might have knocked a wire loose somewhere and just didn't notice it. I personally HATE backyard 12V conversions because they're next to impossible to trace or figure out. That's part of the reason I converted my 2N BACK to 6V. Much simpler and there's a diagram for it right in the manual. But to answer your question, a new 12V conversion kit certainly wouldn't hurt and it'd help clean up some of that wiring. Your nickle, though. Up to you on that one.

Jeb

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cargocult

09-23-2004 17:42:17




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 Re: Gentlemen, I screwed up royally in reply to Pete in Michigan, 09-23-2004 17:29:40  
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I'd suggest asking Don or Derek Barkley at Just 8-N's what they think. They sell the stuffs to convert these tractors the right way. I've had very good luck with them, they are Very Knowledgable about these tractors, because they specialize in them. No Farmalls, Olivers, JDs etc, just N-series tractors. Buy the full harness, it's really cheap, and they are done right. While the trumpet is off, I'd suggest a real clean-up of the hydraulic oil. Refill with the recommended 90 wt gear oil, not the thin stuff that they recommend these days. If it was good enough for Ford, it's good enough today. The thin stuff will find all leaks, both internal and external. Not good!! Also check the torque on the pins that hold the lift arms. I'm sure others more knowlegeable tha me will chime in with more suggestions. Good Luck..these are really fine tractors.

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