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Palmer Dave

09-25-2004 08:13:32




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My son and I recently purchased a 1944 2N. It has not been started in years, but it turns over (by hand) freely. I pulled the plugs to have a look and noticed that the electrode on the #4 plug was bent over like something had hit it. Also it had a bright shiny worn spot at what looked like a point of contact. We pulled the head to have a closer look. We saw no evidence of damage on the #4 piston or valves. Any ideas? Also, as we began to manualy turned the motor over the sleeve on #2 started to move up. We turned the motor in reverse and pushed it back down. Then when I held the sleeve down with a block we turned the motor over and it moved freely with the sleeve in place. Is it a problem if this sleeve moves? Does the head hold it in place? Lastly, on the sleeve in mention, there is a small piece (1/2") broken off the top rim. The missing piece is not on the cylinder wall area but on the very top rim. Is the a problem? Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks!

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Dell (WA)

09-25-2004 09:21:35




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 Re: Ford 2N in reply to Palmer Dave, 09-25-2004 08:13:32  
Palmer..... ...hummmm, clickity-clack, clickty-clack (grin)

NO the #2 sleeve should NOT MOVE up and down. The N-Sleeve should be an "interferrence fit" meaning the OD of the sleeve should be slightly larger then the ID of the dry cylinderblock hole. And you install with eather allotta force or dryice inside the sleeve to shrinkfit the sleeve into the block. Normally, your headgasket clamped over the sleeve lip prevents the sleeve from moving. I don't think the missing sleeve lip is of great concern as long as it is NOT symtomatic of a crack extending down into the sleeve wall.

Me? I'd go to a real automotive parts store and gitt some "sleeve puckey" and puckey the underlip of the sleeve about 1/4". (you already know how to raise it, grin) Yes, they do make a sleeve/stud glue, follow instructions.

As for the #4 sparkie, hard telling, the sparkplug hole is over the BLOCK not the valve or pistontop. Iff'n the head was "milled" to flatten a warp by a previous re-builder, CAUTION #1: N-Head is only capable of only 1-pass of the headmill cutter with less than 0.010" removal. CAUTION #2: N-Head is designed for 0.4325" (7/16") reach sparkplugs. There are also 1/2 reach sparkplugs that also fit but will cause the grounding electrode to bendover. CAUTION #3: there are some "extended nose" sparkies that are 7/16" shell and just too long to fit without bending the side electrode.

Me? I'd install a NEW SET of AutoLite AL-437 (check gap 0.025 outta the box) torque to 25 ft/lbs and hand rotate the engine again and inspect the sparkplugs for interferrence. Iff'n electrode is bent, I'd put 2-sparkie washers under the sparkplug. CAUTION: the headthread can become contaminated and may cause running on at shut-off time and make it difficult (impossible) to install a sparkie with only 1-sparkie gaskett. (use a sparkplug thread chaser tap to clean headthread)

Iff'n still bending electrodes, I'd gittsome "sparkplug extender shells" (usually used for oilfouling problems, look in the "help" section of the store with all those weird parts like springs and window cranks) and assuming nothing else is bouncing against the clylinder head (like valves and piston-tops), yer probably good to go. I'd check that the extended sparkie has enuff heat to burn off any contaminates..... ....Dell

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Rob

09-25-2004 09:20:28




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 Re: Ford 2N in reply to Palmer Dave, 09-25-2004 08:13:32  
You can put in a new sleeve and piston pretty easy now that the old sleeve will move and come out. I don't know you need to mess with the mains but you can check them with plasti-gage pretty easy but you might not want to mess with it, then again new mains are not that big a deal. Rod bearings too.
The oil pump is another deal. You need to put a kit in there. You let a worn shaft bushing go it will wear the housing and degrade pump capacity and oil pressure. If you ever need to replace the housing it most likely means pulling the engine and align boring the mains; Bob will tell you that you must align bore if you replace the housing. That will take care of near $300 and is a lot of work. Put a kit in it now for $50 and a trip to the machine shop. That will prevent further wear of the housing and maintain pump capacity and pressure.

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Bob

09-25-2004 08:41:39




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 Re: Ford 2N in reply to Palmer Dave, 09-25-2004 08:13:32  
At the very minimum, I would replace the loose sleeve.

Thorougly clean the parent bore, and use Loctite on the new sleeve.

If you do not do this now, almost certainly you will be doing it SOON, after the sleeve breaks and makes it's way to the bottom of the oil pan in pieces.

Sleeve, piston, and ring assemblies typically sell for about $75.00 per hole, individually. I just checked ebay, and a reliable parts supplier has several on there for $20.00 to $30.00, depending on type (.040" or .090" wall). That would be a cheap fix!

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Palmer Dave

09-26-2004 09:22:22




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 Re: Ford 2N in reply to Bob, 09-25-2004 08:41:39  
Bob,
Thanks for the advice. Could you tell me who the reiable parts vendor for Ford tractors is on ebay. I looked and had no luck. Thanks again.



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Dave H (NY)

09-25-2004 08:39:21




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 Re: Ford 2N in reply to Palmer Dave, 09-25-2004 08:13:32  
As far as the #4 plug damage it is possible since you have done the right thing and removed the head for inspection that someone may have banged the plug installing it or dropped it or who knows what else, in respect to the sleeve damage since it is apart already I would go for a piston and sleeve kit, check out the crank and replace the rod bearings, if you feel ambitious for another $50. replace your mains, and rebuild your oil pump $35.00. Now atleast you know it will last you a while. Good luck.

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