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123qse

09-25-2004 12:01:23




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to axles, missing axles by 1/2 inch. Should grease or hydrolic oil be "pumped" into the shocks to make the wheels stand up- 4 or so inches from the axles?




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dean

09-26-2004 15:32:31




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 Re: 8N-front wheels-shocks? wheels tip back almost in reply to 123qse, 09-25-2004 12:01:23  
Just checked the clearence on my 51 8N with good spindle bushings/bearings and 5.50x16 tires: about 3/4 inches. My 860 with 6.00x16 tires has only about 1/4 clearence between the top of the tires and the steering arm. I have experienced no problems with either tractor in this regard. If it ain't broke don't fix it.

Dean



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123qse

09-26-2004 16:20:20




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 Re: 8N-front wheels-shocks? wheels tip back almost in reply to dean, 09-26-2004 15:32:31  
Dean- I have about 3/8ths clearance and no problem. I just thought I was going to have a problem sooner because I thought I had seen about a four inch clearance. Your situation is encouraging. TKS Bob



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Dean

09-25-2004 17:01:58




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 Re: 8N-front wheels-shocks? wheels tip back almost in reply to 123qse, 09-25-2004 12:01:23  
Shocks? This is a farm tractor. Seriously, there is little clearance between the top of the tires and the top of the spindle with 16 inch wheels, especially if oversized tires have been installed. Late model 8Ns had optional 5.50x16 wheels/tires but many have been retrofitted with 600x16 tires or automotive/truck tires of various sizes. This, of course, reduces the clearance. Of course if your spindle bushings are badly worn the clearances will be further reduced. Has your tractor had a front-end loader on it? Loaders accelerate wear of the spindle bushings for obvious reasons. Replacing the bushings is not difficult if you have the proper tools. If your bushings are worn out and you just want to use your machine without replacing the bushings you could probably create increased clearance by swapping to the earlier 4.00x19 wheels and tires. Would not recommend these for loader work though. Finally, if your bushings are worn to the point that the spindles are contacting the spindle housing (worn through) you should definitely replace the bushings to avoid the necessity of replacing the castings.

For what it's worth.

Dean - 518N-12x3

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Bob

09-25-2004 19:58:40




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 Re: 8N-front wheels-shocks? wheels tip back almost in reply to Dean, 09-25-2004 17:01:58  
You wanna see a front suspension on a FARM TRACTOR? Well, click the link below and scroll down to "ILS Suspension" and click there.

What a beast! It would really look good in the shed with my "'N"s!



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123qse

09-25-2004 17:59:22




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 Re: 8N-front wheels-shocks? wheels tip back almost in reply to Dean, 09-25-2004 17:01:58  
Dean- Yes- I have 6x16 tires and a front end loader-which I need. What means bushings worn til spindles contact spindle housing? How to check? I will check in the AM. What special tool needed- anticipating the worst, but it should get through the winter to mowing time. Bob



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Dean

09-26-2004 06:09:54




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 Re: 8N-front wheels-shocks? wheels tip back almost in reply to 123qse, 09-25-2004 17:59:22  
Easy to check. Lift each front wheel individually under the axle until the wheel is off the ground. Then see how much lateral play there is between the spindle and the housing. There should be little lateral movement.

Replacement of the bushinigs is time consuming but not too difficult. Usually the most time consuming part is removing the worn bushinigs. I have had success spliting the old bushings with a sharp chisel and removing them in pieces. Be careful so as to avoid damage to the castings. There a 2 bushings in each housing and a thrust bearing at the bottom. Probably all will need replacement as your tractor has a loader attached. Parts can be gotten at NH. Drive the new bushings in using something having an outside diameter only slightly smaller than the bushing. Oftentimes one can use a socket with extensioin attached if bushing drivers are not available. Be careful to start the bushings straight into the bores and be sure that the driving tool is flush to the bushing around the full circumferance to avoid breaking the somewhat fragile bronze bushings. Replace the dust seal at the top of each spindle also. Grease until grease begins to push out at the top of the spindle.

Now the kicker. Sometimes the spindles are worn enough that replacing the bushings will not remove enough of the play. New spindles will cost more than all of the bushings, bearings, etc., combined. If your spindles are badly worn and you cannot find good used ones, you might consider changing to 5.50x16 tires.

Good luck.

Dean

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Hobo, NC

09-25-2004 16:44:45




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 Re: 8N-front wheels-shocks? wheels tip back almost in reply to 123qse, 09-25-2004 12:01:23  
Woops wrong place, sorrie



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Hobo,NC

09-25-2004 16:16:03




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 Re: 8N-front wheels-shocks? wheels tip back almost in reply to 123qse, 09-25-2004 12:01:23  
Looks like you will need to drop the pan. Then you can hook up yer hose to the pick up an see were you are dumping the oil. Even this way you should build O/P wile cranking.



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Hobo,NC

09-25-2004 16:15:24




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 Re: 8N-front wheels-shocks? wheels tip back almost in reply to 123qse, 09-25-2004 12:01:23  
Looks like you will need to drop the pan. Then you can hook up yer hose to the pick up an see were you are dumping the oil. Even this way you should build O/P wile cranking.



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Rob

09-25-2004 12:46:26




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 Shocks? You got shocks? in reply to 123qse, 09-25-2004 12:01:23  
Probably not.

You probably have worn spindle bushings. Rock the wheel or tractor and see what moves. Jack up under the axle and twist around on the wheel and see what's up with that. Grease or oil will not pump up worn bushings.



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Stumpy

09-25-2004 15:29:00




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 I got shocked! in reply to Rob, 09-25-2004 12:46:26  
That one caught me by surprise!
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I just went through my spindle bushings with VERY acceptable results. Here is before
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And this is after, also added 8N hubs and wheels
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Stumpy

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Hobo, NC

09-25-2004 16:54:19




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 Re: I got shocked! in reply to Stumpy, 09-25-2004 15:29:00  
What hind of fuel milage do ya get in the chevy/GMC pic'em up truck. Some one came up and wanted my 97 Z71 real bad and I traded'em fer a nice 94 Z71 and got a big pocket full of money to boot, more than what i paided fer the 97. The 97 would get 15 in town and 19 highway. the 94 gets 12 in town and not much better on the road pluss it drives like sh!t and I have not found anything wrong with it, thinking steerig gear may be bad. Can't say the 97 drove much better. After ya get use to rack & pinion nutt'n drives as good.

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Stumpy

09-25-2004 19:19:13




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 Re: I got shocked! in reply to Hobo, NC, 09-25-2004 16:54:19  
Mine's a '95 non Z-71, 305. I get 14-15MPG in town. Drop the tailgate on the highway and she will pull 16.8! Tow the tractor and it goes to s@#t! 11.75.

Stumpy



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