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OT: Welder - What to Buy?

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Peanut

10-05-2004 07:21:39




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I am looking to get an arc welder for light to medium duty welding (fixing things and maybe making a big BBQ pit) around the farm. I just don't know what to look for when looking at used and/or new equipment. I suppose I will weld mostly steel but don't know for sure. Any advice on what to look for? What brands are good or bad quality? What about helmets (auto-darkening any good)? Thank you all.

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Bill(NC)

10-06-2004 12:29:37




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 07:21:39  
Peanut, You didn't say if you have welding experience. If not you might want to take a course at a local tech school. I did and found it fun and informative. You can ask all these questions then.



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Jim Cox

10-05-2004 10:19:52




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 07:21:39  
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I have a 100A 110V lincoln. They moved up to 125A a few years ago. It is NOT big enough to weld up ramps for putting a backhoe on a dovetail trailer, but it can build the occasional street rod, LEADSLED, go-kart, Grill, repair a boat trailer, and is reeeeaaaalll easy to use. I run .023 wire on a CO2/Argon mix. Hopefully i'll be building some frames for Christmas lights soon! Best of all, my welder, helmet, wire, and bottle were all about $700 twelve years ago, without a repair since! Just don't go cheap on gloves!

Jim Cox
SW Missouri

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Tim...OK

10-05-2004 10:40:38




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Jim Cox, 10-05-2004 10:19:52  
Thats a sweet ride Jim, you still got it??

Tim



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Jim Cox

10-05-2004 11:23:53




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Tim...OK , 10-05-2004 10:40:38  
Yes, it's one of the few things that have survived the 'community property re-alignment' (getting married). It's just an old 54 Ford 2dr sedan with a black primer paint job, the original 223 ( at about 26 MPG ) Desoto grill, Olds taillights, most of the chrome shaved, white interior, and the home-built rolled pan. This is where I learned to burn holes in sheet metal with a welder. I have moons on it nowadays, and some wide white cheaters with stainless beauty rings. It's undergoing some rust repair on the LF, so some of the primer is gone. It has a 12V Chrysler alt with a Ford VREG, just for kicks. Check out my website

thanks for the compliment too
Jim Cox

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Tim...OK

10-05-2004 11:44:55




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Jim Cox, 10-05-2004 11:23:53  
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I like it,very cool..heres a pic of my truck project,got a 468 big block in it,ceramic headers,all msd ignition,powder coated starter and 1-wire alt,turbo 400,3.89 gears in a 9" ford rearend with lincoln rear discs (see that ford keeps it relevant..grin)
mine gets about zero mpg,but it scoots on down the road. hoping for paint someday soon..

Tim

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Jim Cox

10-05-2004 12:12:28




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Tim...OK , 10-05-2004 11:44:55  
YEEEEE E HAW!!!!! sounds like fun. I have almost that many cubes if you add my F-150 AND the 54 Ford. I ain't got near that kinda scoot!

Jim



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Tim...OK

10-05-2004 12:29:21




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Jim Cox, 10-05-2004 12:12:28  
I guess I could add,if wasn't for my handy MILLER welder,this would probably still be the old long bed farm truck that it was when I got it..shortened the frame,built tranny crossmember,etc..

Tim



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Tim...OK

10-05-2004 09:06:02




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 07:21:39  
Again,MILLER..can't beat'em. If your on a tight budget,and don't need to do sheetmetal,I'd probably buy a Lincoln "crackerbox" 225,I've got one,had it for pushing 15 years now,probably paid for itself 100 times over.Bought a Miller 250X mig a couple years ago,have only fired up the lincoln twice since.Once I needed to be outside (that wind thing) on a big gooseneck trailer I was building and the other I ran out of wire on a saturday night. If ya got the coin,a 220v Miller will do ya right.In the time I've had mine,I've been thru about six 40 lb rolls of wire,maybe a couple dozen tips @ a buck each.And it will still go down low enough to do a good job on sheetmetal. I think I gave around $1600 for mine.

HTH,
Tim

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MikeT

10-05-2004 08:55:31




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 Welding and wearing glasses in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 07:21:39  
Is there a helment with a quick change glass? I wear glasses and cannot use the small goggles when using the acetelyne cutting or welding torch. An arc welding helment with a less dark lens would work, but I've never seen one that can be changed quickly.

I do have a pair of glasses with a focal point out at arms reach.



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kev

10-05-2004 08:48:57




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 07:21:39  
MILLER!!!, I'll swear by them, I have a middle of the line, 220v, rugged as hell, I 've welded 24 gauge sheet and plate up to 3/8" thk with the approprite wire sizes. I run gasor no gas with little modification.
Never been short on juice or duty cycle.
I never ever, and I repeat EVER lend out my welder, but if people break something I am more than willing to let them bring it over and weld it for them. I paid around $1700 Canadian for my set up, yes this is steep, but the product is worth it. It has paid for itself twice already. Either by doing jobs as I stated above, or getting me out of a jam, and yes I can put a price on that.
When it comes to helmets, if you are going to go auto darkening dont cheap out, the cheap ones do not have the quick reaction like the expensive ones.
Remember this however, if you decide to take on lots of welding, eye damage is cummulative, meaning to say it adds up over time, with slow reaction times on cheap helmets this is cause for concern.

Kev

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lonestarjeffj

10-05-2004 08:37:13




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 07:21:39  
Last year I bought a Hobart 135 mig welder @ TSC when they put 'em on sale. I needed something I could use now & plugged into 110v.

I've been very happy w/ it. The paperwork says it will weld 3/8" mat'l on a pass & I can't argue w/ it. I have welded up structural parts to mount my front loader to the tractor using 6" channel & 1/4" plate. Just like in paint work, the prep job makes all the difference. Perhaps the heavier machines can weld thru rust & paint residue, not sure.

The auto-darkening helmet is great. Mine is a Hobart I found on ebay.

Jeff

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Bob

10-05-2004 08:22:09




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 07:21:39  
I know I'll get "flamed" for this, but if you are going to do and machinery repairs, or weld anything structural (rather than just light sheet metal repairs or ornamental ironwork), you need a bigger welder than a 120 Volt.

I have a 120 Volt wire welder that can use gas or cored wire. I bought it to use away from the 240 Volts my 250 Amp Hobart Beta-MIG needs, and it is so disappointing in performance that I never use it, and drag even the lighter stuff over to the shop where the big welder is.

I have an old Lincoln 225 Amp "crackerbox" stick welder that I picked up for $20.00 at a garage sale years ago that works really well for some jobs where a stick welder works better than the MIG.

If you can't afford a wire welder bigger than the 120 Volt models, I believe SoundGuy has a very good idea with the used stick welder suggestion.

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Peanut

10-05-2004 08:36:03




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 OK - I am confused in reply to Bob, 10-05-2004 08:22:09  
I think I am really in the dark here. I don't understand what a MIG welder will handle that a high-amp stick welder wont. Is it the thickness of the metal and/or the type of metal? I suppose I will eventually weld something that needs structural integrity but will start off with small stuff (including the front bumper on my 9N ... the bumper broke off from the bolt-on part of the bracket.)

I have seen plenty of used Lincoln 225 stick welders (and even new aren't too awfully expensive).

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souNdguy

10-05-2004 12:22:15




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 Re: OK - I am confused in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 08:36:03  
Another thing that makes the stick nice is if you need to change elctrode material often. With a stick welder you can weld with a different electrode on each pass... 7018 6011 6013.. etc.. etc.. chamfer rod, ( (gasp) aluminum... ).

on a wire welder I think you'd be going to alot of trouble to change out wires....

Wind is a big issue as well. Also not sure if you can cut with a wire welder.. course cutting with an arc welder is more akin to cutting with a chainsaw.. Another option for welding is different environment. A buddy of mine does marine salvage.. and they use arc welding underwater.

Soundguy

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lonestarjeff

10-05-2004 09:09:06




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 Re: OK - I am confused in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 08:36:03  
Both types of welders depend on power for depth of weld, so either type will do what you"re talking about if you pick one w/ enough power.

Mig is usually easier to learn because of the way it delivers the electrode at a steady pace. I can make a pretty decent looking weld w/ a mig,
But put a stick in my hand & I"m all over the place....deep, then shallow, puddle, skip-skip(you get the picture). Put a stick welder in the right hands though, it"s a beautiful thing.

Jeff

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Bob

10-05-2004 08:42:31




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 Re: OK - I am confused in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 08:36:03  
The MIG is more for production use, with clean metal. It's quick, as you don't have to stop and change welding rods, and it produces a neat, clean weld, so there's little need for schipping or brushing to check the weld, or for repeat passes.

A good stick welder is just fine for repairs and heavy welding, but takes more experience to weld thin sheet metal with than a MIG. For use outside, the stick will work with some wind, where it's tough to weld with a MIG in a breeze because the shielding gas gets blown away from the weld area.

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FC

10-05-2004 08:12:49




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 07:21:39  
Most will probably tell you to buy as much as your wallet can stand, but for my limited needs I bought a small Lincoln 115 volt (110 amp I think) wire welder for approx. $350 several years back. It has the capability of adding gas, but I just use the flux core wire as I could not justify the extra cost for no more welding than I do, and it has served me well. Keep in mind these will likely only weld thinner material, although I have welded thinner stuff to 1/4 inch steel pipe, but I would not bet my life on the weld. It has been very handy for small repair jobs, and it is easily moved and will run on most extension cords provided you have a 115 outlet nearby. One of the reasons I went with one of these was the fact that I did not have 220 in the shop I had at the time, the other was limited funds (although the wife did hand me the checkbook and told me to go buy a welder).

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souNdguy

10-05-2004 07:32:42




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 Re: OT: Welder - What to Buy? in reply to Peanut, 10-05-2004 07:21:39  
Miller / lincoln / Hobart are all top brands.. and have top prices.

You need to decide on whether you want a arc welder or a mig welder.

Various sizes and types of each.. all the way down into the 70/90/100 amp jobs that run on 115v to the really big monsters.

Some of the smaller migs give you the option of using flux core wire and no gas.. or the regular gas/mig setup.

If you wanted a plain basic strong machine.. look into a used old lincoln ac/dc stick welder. On of the big 200 amp+ jobs. I see them usually go for less than a hundred bucks. Monsters at welding.

Good luck

Soundguy

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