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Paint before or after bolts are in?

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TIMW(PA)

10-06-2004 06:05:51

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I know this is on the fringe of "who cares" but since I have the tractor apart is it better to paint the tranny section, engine and such, then put it together so there is paint protecting the metal under the bolts or bolt it all up then paint it. The first way you'd almost have to paint twice, but if you ever had to take it apart you might see bare spots when bolts and peices are slightly repositioned. Sorry for the long post....Just wondering how the best way is...Thanks Tim

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TimW(PA)

10-06-2004 09:33:20

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Thanks for all the input in reply to TIMW(PA), 10-06-2004 06:05:51

The electrical connections really hadn't occured to me, although I have read about the starter grounding issue. I always use alot of copper anti seize on everything I put together so maybe that will help with the grounding issue. I just received my copy of petersons' Originality Guide last night and I was kinda dissapointed...It wasn't the N Bible that I was expecting. Russ...I too like the look of the exposed shiny bolts but I didn't know if it was original or not...Does anyone know if the bolts were even originally painted? I Always worry about painted bolts cause like souNdguy I dont want to have to retouch paint every time I have to put a wrench on one.

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Russ in SoCal

10-06-2004 09:39:21

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Re: Thanks for all the input in reply to TimW(PA), 10-06-2004 09:33:20

Henry Ford used the fewest steps possible to get it off the assembly line. So, yes, the bolts got painted.

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Russ in SoCal

10-06-2004 09:23:13

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Re: Paint before or after bolts are in? in reply to TIMW(PA), 10-06-2004 06:05:51

Tim,
I know it ain"t "original" but I like the look of shiny hardware. For protection, which is less of a concern here in the desert, I would cover everything. As the piggy bank recovers, first the remaining leak gets fixed, then the hardware will be replaced with cadmium plated stuff for the goldtone. Purely my anal preference.
Russ

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Hmmmm?

10-06-2004 09:25:50

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Re: Paint before or after bolts are in? in reply to Russ in SoCal, 10-06-2004 09:23:13

Maybe?

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souNdguy

10-06-2004 06:31:54

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Re: Paint before or after bolts are in? in reply to TIMW(PA), 10-06-2004 06:05:51

Rob's got a couple good points. I usually try to tape off exposed bolt threads before painting.. or if I'm painting a casting with female threads.. I stuff a bit of paper towell in there.

As for the grounding issue.. I didn't think it would be too much of an issue on a starter.. due to the starter bolts.. however.. on my NAA I had the starter rebuilt.. threy it on and nothing.

Seems the heavy paint the rebuilder used on the casing itself, and the front flange, prevented it from getting a good ground.. they buffed the paint off the starter mating surfaces and it has worked great since.

( I personally paint after final assembly on many things.. otherwise i tend to ding and scratch the paint too much during big assemblies. Little things sure.. paint first.. then bolt on.. etc. Course I used to go and touch up the bolt heads too after torqueing down.. but now my tractors are into full work mode and i havn't been attending to their looks lately.. just trying to keep them running.

Soundguy

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Dan

10-06-2004 08:32:04

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Re: Paint before or after bolts are in? in reply to souNdguy, 10-06-2004 06:31:54

"Course I used to go and touch up the bolt heads too after torqueing down.. but now my tractors are into full work mode and i havn't been attending to their looks lately.. just trying to keep them running."

I can REALLY identify with this now that my two tractors are out of my Father-in-Laws shop and my home garage. Fixing them up was fun, but keeping them running seems to be my time consuming tasks now. My wife was ribbing me about how my "precious babies" were getting dirty from hay rides and brush hogging :)

Dan

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Rob

10-06-2004 06:46:46

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The genny reg can in reply to souNdguy, 10-06-2004 06:31:54

give you fits if they aren't grounded right.
Mounting hardware gets the job done maybe 8 out of 10 times but those few times they don't maintain good electrical connection for ground will make you crazy trying to figure out what went wrong. Especially if the problem pops up in two or three years after it rusts a bit.
I guess since electronics are so ground sensitive everyone has gotten away from counting of mounting hardware to provide a ground. I bet guys with electronic ignitions need to be aware of grounding and take care.
My genny shop guy is always talking about needing a good ground.

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txblu

10-06-2004 06:42:28

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Re: Paint before or after bolts are in? in reply to souNdguy, 10-06-2004 06:31:54

Hey sound.

When I have a diesel that is cranky to start (worn out rings essentially), I want all electrical interconnects "clean and shiny". So I go the extra mile and insure that the starter/block interface is clean. Personal preference, but it surely doesn't hurt. On a "competent engine" I don't pay it any mind.

Mark

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John IL

10-06-2004 06:30:29

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Re: Paint before or after bolts are in? in reply to TIMW(PA), 10-06-2004 06:05:51

If it's a matter of originallity, I'm pretty sure that Ford painted all of the "red stuff" after it was all assembled. The sheet metal was probably painted first, then installed onto the rolling chassis.

John

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Rob

10-06-2004 06:24:57

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Re: Paint before or after bolts are in? in reply to TIMW(PA), 10-06-2004 06:05:51

I hate it when threads are covered with paint. I do my own work so I just don't paint threads.
The other issue is that the starter must be grounded and paint defeats the ground. Other electrical parts are like that too. You really shouldn't paint mating surfaces.

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