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Starter operation

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9N 89716

10-07-2004 08:18:57




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As you will soon be able to surmise, I am a bit challenged electrically. What purpose do the brushes serve in a starter? As I understand, the brushes in the generator take the generated amperage, through the post connection, to the cut out relay. Since the starter does not serve this purpose, was curious what they did. Thanks for the insight.




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tim in pa

10-07-2004 11:27:11




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 Re: Starter operation in reply to 9N 89716, 10-07-2004 08:18:57  
brushes are actually made of a high content of carbon - negative temperature coefficient of resistivity with high conductuivity. also very soft, so they will wear instead of the commutator. hth.



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Dell (WA)

10-07-2004 10:42:43




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 Re: Starter operation in reply to 9N 89716, 10-07-2004 08:18:57  
Electrical Challenged..... ...you sleep thru 9th grade science or was it 6th grade science when magnitism was demonstrated and experiments made? Remember those neat circles the magnet made outta the iron fileings on the sheet of paper when the magnet was underneath the paper? Remember how the magnet sucked up all the iron fileings into a fuzzy bunch? Remember how the same magnetic poles pushed eachother away and how the opposite poles attracted eachother?

Both the generator and the starter have brushes as a mechanical means of changing electrical current polarity and subsequentally the polarity of the magnetic field created.

Both the genny and starter use the magic of magnetism to create electrical power. Magnetism is created when a direct current (battery) flows thru an electrical coil which magnetfies an ironcore. As the ironcore magnet is attracted to the electrical magnetic field, it causes the motor armature to turn.

Both the starter and the generator have multiple electrical magnetic coils, each coil is connected to a corresponding set of copper buss-bar switch contacts called an armature which the spring-loaded brushes make electrical contact.

The changing coil magnetism makes the rotating generator generate DIRECT CURRENT which is necessary to charge a BATTERY. The changing coil magnetism makes the starter armature rotate as it chases the magnetic pole which keeps changing because the starter motor is rotating..... ...respectfully, Dell

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Jim Cox

10-07-2004 09:18:06




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 Re: Starter operation in reply to 9N 89716, 10-07-2004 08:18:57  
the brushes apply current to the armature. The magnetic field created along the windings pushes against the magnetic field in the two field coils and causes rotation. As the commutator segments move away from the brushes during rotation, a new set of commutator segments moves into place. The Hot and Ground brushes are typically 90 degrees apart. The current traveling thru the armature windings goes 'north' from the Hot brush, makes a U-turn, and goes 'south' to the Ground brush. this change in direction of current changes the direction of the armature's magnetic fields so that ( on four pole starters ) windings in different locations have the correct opposing magnetic field coming from the pole shoes.

The brushes are made of a mysterious combination of copper and graphite, for both conductivity and low wear on the commutator.

Alternators have smaller brushes than generators, and usually last longer because Alt brushes carry only the field current. Genny brushes carry the output current, which is higher, more arcing, more heat, etc....

Perhaps Dell can say it a little better, but that's how I tell 'em at nite school.

Good Luck
Jim Cox

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txblu

10-07-2004 09:48:26




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 Re: Starter operation in reply to Jim Cox, 10-07-2004 09:18:06  
Nice job Jim.



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