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OT: Propane prices

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rossow (mn)

10-13-2004 05:54:07




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I noticed on another board that propane prices are in the $1.50 range or higher, and it's only October! What's propane doing in your area? I contracted for 1,000 gallons at $1.10/9 in August (southern Minnesota), and a week later it had already climbed 8 cents a gallon. Makes me cautious about shop heat! Anyone with fresh prices?




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HuskerJR

10-14-2004 11:40:19




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
In Nebraska
Just put in 350 gallons at 1.20



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WiCraig

10-14-2004 02:53:26




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
Upper Wisconsin its 1.39 to 1.49.

Craig



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DON TX

10-13-2004 21:02:12




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
I called around to check competetive pricing with my tank leased supplier. I was quoted from 1.60 to 1.69. I called my tls and was quoted 1.60 credit, 1.55 pay on del. I asked about a 600 gal. delivery, he came down to 1.50. It wasn't much cheaper during summer when I checked, @ 1.45. That's what I paid for last years fillup. I think the days of cheaper summer propane may be over. Unless there is a massive decline and usage of propane due to a very mild winter nationwide, we are in for an expensive winter. Luckily, in N. Texas, our winters are only 45 - 60 days at worst. Now I have to pay for my "good deal".
DON TX

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CVRancher

10-13-2004 17:09:33




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
Here in Tehachapi,Ca.we paid 1.41 in June for 200 Gal. and refilled it in late Sept @ 1.50 We had just moved into the area and the dealer said that there would be very little price change from summer to winter. Will it's up 8% in three months.
Time to watch the Red Sox & Yankees.
Jim



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TomP

10-13-2004 16:56:18




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
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These are the prices your dealer is faced with. For price in my area which is NE Iowa I add about $.35/gal to get my delivered price currently about $1.27/gal.



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Stumpy

10-13-2004 15:55:56




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Whoops, wrong coversation, *SOB* SNIFF *SOB* Got in a propane truck yesterday for the first time since summer.....Oh baby! All those pretty fireplaces....@ $2.45 a gal net, I'd trash 'em! This is southern NH and I know our margins have been cut, my boss isn't making a killin' either. As posted below, you pre buy people won this year for sure. However, buying a tank right now is not such agreat idea. Steel has gone up and up and up. A 420(ASME 100 gal tank) is around $700.00 dollars retail, and that is not gonna last long in winter!

Stumpy

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Hobo,NC

10-13-2004 09:59:26




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
I have dealt with some fine people in the propane business. One thing I have come to find out is most will not do what they tell ya they are gonna do or lets say they lie a lot. Knowing that they mean good I have come to the conclusion that smell’N propane makes ya lie so Don’t snift to much propane



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Upper Peninsula, Mi

10-13-2004 09:20:10




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
$139.9 for two 500 gallon tanks the first week of Sept.



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MikeT

10-13-2004 08:30:46




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
I paid $1.21 / gal back in august in eastern OK.



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Russ in SoCal

10-13-2004 08:10:55




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
Delivered Oct 5, 125 gallons @$1.96/callon plus a $3.73 "environmental recovery fee." Total $248.73
AAAARRRRR GGGGG GGHHHHH H!!!!!?



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raytasch

10-13-2004 09:44:05




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to Russ in SoCal, 10-13-2004 08:10:55  
"Environmental Recovery Fee?" --- for propane? You good folks need to run that whole bunch of bureaucrats out of town, say about three hundred miles west.
ray



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Russ in SoCal

10-13-2004 14:47:16




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 AAAAAYY-MEN (nt) in reply to raytasch, 10-13-2004 09:44:05  



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Dee in mid MO

10-13-2004 07:50:02




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
I pre-paid $1.09/9 on Aug 31/04 for a contract based on our usage last winter. The day after I paid for the contract in full to lock in the price, the price was $1.23 without contract. Don't know what it is now. Dee



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Jack - Illinois

10-13-2004 07:07:47




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
Here in central Illinois a friend who drives a FS gas truck say's they are up to $1.39 per gallon. Others vendors are as high as $1.69. I got my 20 lb. cylinders refilled in southern Texas last winter for $6.50 - bet it will be a lot higher this year!!



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oslo in nc

10-13-2004 07:34:26




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to Jack - Illinois, 10-13-2004 07:07:47  
Paid about $12.00 yesterday for 20#



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9njunker

10-13-2004 06:52:21




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
Here in N.W. Florida I just paid $2.26 a gal.to have a 250 gal tank filled to cook sugarcane syrup.How does that price grab you?



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Russ in SoCal

10-13-2004 14:56:15




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to 9njunker, 10-13-2004 06:52:21  
Ever notice how the news media always parrots what the suppliers tell them on why the prices are going up? Why don"t they do some REPORTING on whose pockets are getting full?
At two-and-a-quarter plus, I"d toss some corn in with that sugar cane and keep cookin" it.
Russ



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Jim Cox

10-13-2004 06:42:34




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
I used to play in a band with a guy that owned a propane company. He said that his prices jumped around, so the price of what he sold did too. He said buy all you can in the summer.

If a guy were to buy (not rent) a tank in the summer, and fill it up when demand is low, the tank would pay for itself in less than two years. After that, you would be using summer priced propane in the winter. For most families it would be a quesion of cash-flow, and the initial sacrifice of the tank plus summer propane expense on top of summer electricity/cooling expense.

Now if somebody could convince my wife that I should cut firewood all summer instead of honey-doing..... .

Jim Cox

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txblu

10-13-2004 09:48:40




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to Jim Cox, 10-13-2004 06:42:34  
Our company offers "prepay". You can pre pay for however much you want when it's cheap and they will store it free and deliver when ready, the only stipulation being that you accept at least 150 gallons, which is the min for normal delivery.

Works great.

Since propane comes from natural gas, I wouldn't expect it to get too out of line, except it would probably be influenced somewhat by supply and demand caused by people using propane rather than other types of fossil fuels derived from oil.

Mark

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Polish Mike

10-13-2004 06:16:45




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to rossow (mn), 10-13-2004 05:54:07  
$45.00 for a hundred pound bottle, Catskills Region, New York State, this past weekend.



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gahorn

10-13-2004 12:32:55




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to Polish Mike, 10-13-2004 06:16:45  
Propane does not come from nat"l gas. It is a refined petroleum product. (so says my dealer)



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BillM (OH)

10-13-2004 12:47:02




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to gahorn, 10-13-2004 12:32:55  
Well, your dealer is full of BS. Propane does come from natural gas. Unfortunately, natural gas tends to follow oil prices as the big users (utilities) switch back and forth as prices dictate, so gas, gas extractants (ethane/propane/butane) and oil tend to equalize in price on a BTU basis.



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gahorn

10-14-2004 08:59:40




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 Re: OT: Propane prices in reply to BillM (OH), 10-13-2004 12:47:02  
Found on the I-net at:>Link

"Natural>Link gas production accounts for 53 percent of our domestic propane supply, while 47 percent is produced from the refining of crude oil."


"History of Propane
In 1910, a Pittsburgh motor car owner walked into chemist Dr. Walter Snelling's office, complaining that the gallon of gasoline he had purchased was half a gallon by the time he got home. He thought the government should look into why consumers were being cheated because the gasoline was evaporating at a rapid and expensive rate. Dr. Snelling took up the challenge and discovered the evaporating gases were propane, butane and other hydrocarbons.

Using coils from an old hot water heater and other miscellaneous pieces of laboratory equipment he could find, Dr. Snelling built a still that could separate the gasoline into its liquid and gaseous components.

By 1912, propane gas was cooking food in the home. The first car powered by propane ran in 1913, and by 1915 propane was being used in torches to cut through metal. Propane was marketed for flame cutting and cooking applications by 1920.

In 1927, the total sales of propane in the U. S. were more than one million gallons, and after World War II the propane gas annual sales increased to more than 15 billion gallons.

By the 1930s, the Compressed Gas Association (CGA) established and proposed a set of recommendations to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA). In 1932, the first pamphlet of standards (No. 58) was adopted for publication.

When Dr. Snelling sold his propane patent to Frank Phillips, the founder of Phillips Petroleum Company, his price was $50,000. Today, propane gas is an $8 billion industry in the United States alone and it is still growing.

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