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2N timing

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Gary Prestridge

10-15-2004 09:12:17




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2N still not running right. Originally Points were set so close you could hardly see them open but it ran better then than now with new distributor set on .015..Does it make sense that maybe they were set closer to compensate for slack/wear..Can I possibly get it to smooth out by setting them closer even with this new distributor..or what about advancing or retarding the time..Won't smooth out runs rough..New manifold has no place to connect vacuum gauge to test it out??Any suggestions.....

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Rob

10-15-2004 12:49:45




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 Re: 2N timing in reply to Gary Prestridge, 10-15-2004 09:12:17  
Gary, maybe you're barking up the wrong tree.
Below is a way to set the carb. I know you've set the carb but you might want to try it again. Below that is the Hard Pull test. Perform that easy, 10-second test will most likely tell you where your problem is. You do that test you don't need the manifold pressure. You might well have a couple different things going on so get the carb set right, get the distributor points by the book (that pic I posted) and then do the Hard Pull test and see.

The book says set the idle at 400rpm but the 2N doesn’t have a tachometer. You need 400rpm because the idle mix set-point is subtle and just near impossible to detect at a higher rpm. Warm the engine to normal operating temperature. If it won’t warm up or maintain a constant operating temp then the thermostat might be bad or missing.
To get the required minimum rpm, back out the throttle arm adjust screw located on the backside of the carburetor. When you’re up against the stall, adjust the idle mix screw on the outside of the carburetor. Start at one turn out, screw in until rpm slows and then just back out to the higher rpm. Now go back to the throttle arm adjust screw and back it out to lower the rpm. Repeat the idle mix adjustment. Go back and forth like that until you have proven you cannot get a lower idle rpm. You cannot get the idle set too low. One guy finally got his idle minimized and he posted it sounded like he could grab the fan blade to stop the engine. That’s what 400rpm sounds like.
I can't tell you how to know you have the top speed set at 2200rpm. Best I can say is 2200 hundred is just only starting to sound like it's running too fast to not be loaded. You adjust that after you make sure your governor arms can travel to that speed. Then you bend the control linkage between the throttle and the governor. Primitive eh? I don't think that's a huge deal because you want to operate at 3/4-throttle anyway. Belt-speed is near top end but if you have a belt you can set the top end according to the belt-driven tool performance...I guess.
To set the main jet you need a load on the engine so you either jump up in the seat and apply the brake or you can put a heavy implement on the 3-point and engage the lift arms. Anyway, load the engine and goose the throttle. The engine should take up with out any hesitation or stumble. Start at one-turn out and back it out until you can juice the throttle and the engine evenly takes-up the load.

You get that done then perform the Hard-pull test:
Idle the tractor in high gear and get her rolling forward just a little bit. Then quickly pull the throttle to 1/2 speed. Do this with your good brake partially on so that you have a heavy load on the engine. If the clutch slips then you’ll have to adjust or replace it.
1. Your timing is ok if you hear a constant slight pinging (spark knock).
2. If it backfires the fuel mix is too lean, the ignition is shorted, or you have sticky valves. Pull the spark plug wires one at a time and watch for a regular spark without a miss. You can hear sticky valves. Back out the main jet 1/8-turn at a time to see if that cures the backfire.
3. If it doesn't ping set the timing and make sure the mechanical advance is free to operate. A too long screw use in the points mounting plate can interfere with the mechanical advance weights. The weights may be dirty and sticky.
4. If it pings excessively then set the timing. If that doesn’t correct the pinging then pull all the plugs, clean them, and set their gap. While you have them out take a compression test on each cylinder with the throttle full open. The spec is 90psi minimum with 10% from highest to lowest. If you have 140psi then pull the head and remove the carbon. Make sure the valve stems are not gummy. Low compression indicates leaky valves, bad rings it’s a rebuild that isn’t broken in yet.
5. If the engine pulls evenly and there is no indication of late spark or excessive carbon, check the system for a lean fuel mixture.
6. If the engine pulls unevenly then check the spark at the spark plug boots. Watch the spark over several revolutions to see that it's a regular, blue, snappy spark and that it does not miss. You can do that while the engine is running.

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Gary Prestridge

10-15-2004 17:31:16




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 Re: 2N timing in reply to Rob, 10-15-2004 12:49:45  
Thanks for taking so much time to go into great detail. I had rebuilt the old carb and put it back on this afternoon. It runs noticeably better with the old carb..I haven't had an implement on it or other heavy load yet but I drove it this afternoon and went up some fairly steep inclines..It takes the gas really well. I will be trying a 5' finishing mower behind it tomorrow..Guess I have some kind of issue with the new carburetor. Looks good inside and I have adjusted the float slightly. I am almost convinced that it must be float related. Don't know what else it could possibly be..Thanks again

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Rob

10-15-2004 18:07:52




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 Don't need an impliment. in reply to Gary Prestridge, 10-15-2004 17:31:16  
Do the test and then you'll know. It's as easy as falling out of bed.



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Bob

10-15-2004 09:17:48




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 Re: 2N timing in reply to Gary Prestridge, 10-15-2004 09:12:17  
Your points are just fine at .015", and need to stay pretty close to that setting for a hot spark and long point life.

It is a fact, though, if the points were to be set to a lesser gap, that ignition timing would be made "later".

Have you check the centrifugal spark advance mechanism for proper operation and bench-set the distributor timing as shown in the service manual?



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Gary Prestridge

10-15-2004 14:17:24




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 Re: 2N timing in reply to Bob, 10-15-2004 09:17:48  
I checked the points when I pulled the new dist. out of the box but I did not check the timing..I will do that..Thanks



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