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8n Front Mount Distributor, 12 volt coil.

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OKcity8N

03-09-2001 10:51:58




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I just received my 12 volt coil from Don's. I couldn't find the post I found previously about the ballast resistor and these coils. I currently have a single ballast resistor, what appears to be a 6 volt coil (no markings), and my 48 has a 12 volt conversion. Do I need the resistor or not? Coil is from Taiwan and marked as 12 volt. Thanks in advance.

Eamon




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yes and no . . . Dell (WA)

03-09-2001 12:16:08




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 Re: 8n Front Mount Distributor, 12 volt coil. in reply to OKcity8N, 03-09-2001 10:51:58  
FYI ... I just did a search on the N-Board "archives" at the top of the page and got 675 "hits" on 12 volt coil.

Once more...frontmount 12 volt coils used to have a molded warning tag alluding to 13 volts MAX. Believe it... The problem arises because the 12 volt alternator will generally output about 14.7 volts to properly charge a 12 volt battery. This 14 volts will cause excess current to flow in the 12 volt frontmount coil and will melt the insulative tar and short out the coil windings and ... oops... no sparkies.

There used to be included in the box with the new 12 volt frontmount coil, a instruction sheet that told the user what "value" resistance to use to prevent the above described overcurrent effect. Since my 8N is an eazy starting 6 volt sidemount, I never got the "resistance value" for a 12 volt frontmount conversion.

So to answer your question, yes, you do need some sort of current limiting resistor inline to your new 12 volt frontmount ignition coil. Unfortuneately, the OEM 6 volt "ballast resistor" is not the right value.

I can make a guess at about 0.5 ohms and 25 watts, but I really don't know for certain. Here is a "clue" for you. The proper value resistance (its not too critical) will give about 10 volts at the coil terminal (9 min, 11 max) with the ignition points closed without the engine running. And battery voltage with the ignition points open.

Anyother voltages than what I've just "quoted" are going to give you "problems". HTH..... ...Dell

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Jim in Pensacola, Dell a follow-up?

03-09-2001 13:20:24




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 Re: Re: 8n Front Mount Distributor, 12 volt coil. in reply to yes and no . . . Dell (WA), 03-09-2001 12:16:08  
Dell, A follow-up to your answer

If you measured approx 10 volts (9-11) with the points closed and engine not running (batt 12.6v as only source of power), then with the engine running (power provided by alternator - 14.7v) the voltage to the coil would be approx 12 volts (11-13)?

Jim



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right . . . Dell (WA)

03-09-2001 17:55:52




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n Front Mount Distributor, 12 volt coil. in reply to Jim in Pensacola, Dell a follow-up?, 03-09-2001 13:20:24  
Jim..... .Right, which is less that the 13 volt MAX limit quoted. Its a Kerchoffs Law kind of thing. Even cheap voltmeters are more accurate in this range and eazier to use than Ohm meters or Amp meters..... ..Dell



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Ray md to Dell

03-09-2001 12:55:33




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 Re: Re: 8n Front Mount Distributor, 12 volt coil. in reply to yes and no . . . Dell (WA), 03-09-2001 12:16:08  
Hows come the 12v front mount and side mount dist.coils are diff ? On side mount you can use built in coil resistor as you stated a couple days
ago. Confused ? Hope this is not to stupid ?



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Dell (WA)

03-09-2001 17:48:11




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n Front Mount Distributor, 12 volt coil. in reply to Ray md to Dell, 03-09-2001 12:55:33  
Ray..... ..re...what stump puller sez is correct

Howsomever, the frontmount ignition coil is kinda squareish and sits on top of the frontmount distributor and is not as robust as we'd like so we have to handle with kid gloves by "limiting the current" thru them with somesort of external resistance. Its an "Ohms Law" kind of thing..... .Dell



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STMUMP PULLER

03-09-2001 17:24:07




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 Re: Re: Re: 8n Front Mount Distributor, 12 volt coil. in reply to Ray md to Dell, 03-09-2001 12:55:33  
THERE ARE ALOT OF DIFFERENT COILS AROUND. I HAVE A SIDE MOUNT 12V COIL THAT MEASURES ABOUT 3.5 OHMS AND DOES NOT REQUIRE AN EXTERNAL BALLAST RESISTOR. THE 12V FRONT MOUNT SHOULD ALSO MEASURE ABOUT 3.5 OHMS AND SHOULD NOT REQUIRE AN EXTERNAL BALLAST RESISTOR.



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OKcity8n

03-09-2001 17:48:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n Front Mount Distributor, 12 volt coil. in reply to STMUMP PULLER, 03-09-2001 17:24:07  
Thanks, StumpPuller. Both ideas sound at least worth a try since I already have a resistor. If I can get it started right away with the resistor, I will just leave it. I also picked up a carb kit at TSC while I was there. This will take care of the entire electrical system and freshen up the fuel system. If I still don't get it started, I will be back.



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Phil(AZ)

03-09-2001 20:32:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8n Front Mount Distributor, 12 volt coil. in reply to OKcity8n, 03-09-2001 17:48:20  
Okcity, Just look at your ammeter, if when the points are closed the amp reading is >12 Amps (Side mount Coil in a can)... you most likely need a Ballast Resistor.

JMHO



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OKcity8N

03-09-2001 12:22:42




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 Re: Re: 8n Front Mount Distributor, 12 volt coil. in reply to yes and no . . . Dell (WA), 03-09-2001 12:16:08  
Thanks, Dell. That was what I thought I remembered. Yes, I found MANY posts on the subject, as usual. I just couldn't find the post I was looking for that I found before. I have the link in my tractor folder at home, but I am at work, stopping by the parts place on the way home.



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