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Running on only 2 cylinders Dell

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RandyR

10-29-2004 22:46:31




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Ok I"ll be up front and say it"s not an N, it"s a Fergie, but your the sparkie guy, so here goes. When I was using it the other day, I noticed it was running rough. Found 2 plugs not firing, or so I thought. When I pulled the wires a little ways away from the plugs, a spark was jumping to the plugs, and the engine ran smoother. But when they touched the plugs, it ran rough again. I switched the plugs around, and the same 2 were still bad, but in different positions. I replaced them all with what is recommended in the Champion catalogue, D21"s, non-resistor plugs. The others were new last year and are Autolite 386"s, resistor plugs. They cross reference to RD16, in the Champ book, one heat range cooler than D21"s. It runs fine now, with non resistor plugs and wires. Should there be resistance somewhere, plugs or wires? And why would the engine run better with the wire pulled away from the plug, instead of touching? I tested them with an ohm-meter and they had continuity, about 8000 ohms. Thanks for any answers you offer.

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ZANE

10-30-2004 05:38:50




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 Re: Running on only 2 cylinders Dell in reply to RandyR, 10-29-2004 22:46:31  
It is my theory that when you hold the wire away from the plug terminal you allow much more high voltage build up before the spark leaves the coil and condensor. I do know it works. I have a couple of old oil burners right now in operation that would not run ten minutes with out the jumper thingy.

You can make a good jumper for a fouling plug by tying a piece of wire around the plus close to the top in one of the depressions in the insulator and then connecting the end of the wire to the spark plug wire. If the depression ring in the insulator is too far from the plugs top conductor just bend the wire close enough to the plugs top for the best gap and you are set to go for many hours of unfouled plug/s.

The first time I did this was about 1951 on my 1938 Ford Four door sedan. I also carried a five gallon bucket of used oil that I bought at the local station for .05 a gallon. Keep them wheels turning!

Zane

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Dell (WA)

10-30-2004 01:05:35




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 Re: Running on only 2 cylinders Dell in reply to RandyR, 10-29-2004 22:46:31  
Randy..... ...'srite.....sparkies is sparkies even if they're made by Lucas, Prince of Darkness. Actually I don't know iff'n Fergies sparkies are made by Lucas, but I've worked on many British sportscars and their electrics were ALL by Lucas and carbs were all SU's. I may haffta gitta Fergie manual to go with my Fergie to N-Ford cross-referencing parts catalog.

Heres the deal, the basic ignition coil just barely generates hot-enuff sparkies. Then when you use eather modern carbon-core anti-radiostatic suppressing sparkplug wire ...or... sparkplugs with a built-in radiostatic suppressing resistor, (8000 ohms is typical resistance) you will have used up allotta of your sparkie power and will start to miss because the electrons arn't strong enuff to jump the gap everytime.

You can semi-overcome this weak sparkie problem by narrowing the sparkplug gap to make it eazier to jump the gap; and narrowing the ignition points gap to make certain you are generating the hottest sparkie you can.

Howsomevers: bottom line on your old tractor, use good soft flexable copper-core sparkie wire and NON-resistor sparkplugs for besttest sparkie performance.

Also use HOTTER heatrange sparkies. Modern no-lead gasoline fouls sparkies with invisable contaminates that leak the lazy sparkies away before they have a chance to jump the gap and ignite the mixture. Also use HOTTER heatrange sparkie iff'n yer tractor is a worn oilburner, keeps from fouling the sparkies so fast.

As for your making the engine run better with an extra gap jumping from the sparkie wire to sparkie. This is a trick that works on aforementioned FOULED sparkplugs. (Infact you used to be able to by Champion's with a built-in air-gap inside the white insulation specifically for that purpose, jumping an oil burning engine fouled sparkplug, when you really need to rebuilt the engine to stop the oilburning) But I ain't gonnna go driving around holding sparkie wires so the engine will run smooth.

Since I don't have a Champ catalog handy, I'm gonna assume that your Champs D-21's are HOTTER than the D-16's. (which is what you want) BTW RD-16 is the resistor version of the D-16..... ...Dell, the self-appointed sparkie-meister

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cargocult

10-30-2004 05:28:31




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 Re: Running on only 2 cylinders Dell in reply to Dell (WA), 10-30-2004 01:05:35  
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Ya know Dell, many years ago (Too many) I saw a gadget at the State Fair in Richmond, that was highly touted to save fuel, increase power, facilitate eazy-starting, etc. Usual crap of auto gadgets! Actually, it was a auxiliary spark-gap meant to be placed in line between the coil and distributor. Worked the same way as the idea about holding the wires off the plugs. He was selling many of them! Wish I had bought one now, because it would be valuable to sell on E-bay! ;-) Wonder what happened to the company that made it?? Probably bought up by the Big Oil Companies, hehehe! Lottsa fuel-saving gadgets never saw the light of day after being bought up by Big Oil! ;-) Still going on today. saw in the news that a Filipino Inventor had devised a neat gadget that purports to save over 30% of fuel, the Big Oil interests made offers, he decided to not accept them, plannning to market it in the PI. Hope he suceeds! Or Big Oil Will Send A Hit Man, hehehe!! ;-)

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Randy R

10-30-2004 02:00:32




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 Re: Running on only 2 cylinders Dell in reply to Dell (WA), 10-30-2004 01:05:35  
Yes. The D21 is one step hotter than the D16. And the Autolites were resistor types. RD16 is the Champ equivalent to Autolite 386s. The D16 was the recomended plug in '62, but Champ says to use the D21. They agree with you. I've got no idea why the dealer sold me resistor plugs. BTW, my tractor was made in Detroit with a Continental engine. Hard working American iron!!Thanks for the help.



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Ron/PA

10-30-2004 05:33:20




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 Re: Running on only 2 cylinders Dell in reply to Randy R, 10-30-2004 02:00:32  
Mornin Randy, just a note I'll drop here, as for why you ended up with resistor plugs. If by dealer you mean a tractor dealer, well he otta be slapped. If it's a general auto parts store, it's to be expected. It's been so long since any vehicle called for non resistor plugs that many of them don't carry them, and if they do, too many youngsters working the counter don't understand about them. I can be a teacher at my NAPA dealer, but I'm just a crazy old coot when I walk into an Autozone,, so mostly I don't. LOL
Ron
Who ended up buying the NAPA dealers stock of plug wire making supplies.

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