eyes have been opened

You wouldn't believe the lame replies I got to a question that I posted here, and over on the MH/MF sub..

It was the post about aftermarket 3pt hitch kits. I was looking for a manufacture of aftermarket kits for a friend that had a tractor ( MH55 ) that did not come with a 3pt hitch. I've seen these all over.. just never jotted down the URL's.

Here is an example of the 2 replies I got:

" I think you are out of luck....can't be done"

" The MH 55 NEVER had a 3pt hitch... get another tractor, that one is for pulling"

Now those are some lame-o excuses for answers.

Can't be done? Can't be done? A welder and some scrap iron and hyd parts can make one and add it to a bicycle...not practical.. but it 'can be done'.

And to answer a question of a person who is asking where to find an aftermarket kit by saying that the tractor didn't have a 3pt hitch oem.... wow.. what a lot of thought went into that answer!

This is a testament to the fine group of very knowledgeable and resourcefull people here on this sub.

Soundguy

Soundguy

Soundguy

I think you miss-quoated or miss-read the one post. The one guy you mis-quoated compleatly... or else I did not see the "Can't be done" part. Actually I thought the reply was reasonable and helpful. The jist was He was sympathitic to your frustration, also had the same problem, but did answer you question of... Is there a commercial supplyer on the web of conversion kits for the MH's... What I have seen is no... the Suppliers are focusing on the IH's, Allis, and JD's.

Sorry, after reading your replies I think your being a little unfair.

For referance the entire reply under discussion given below...

"I think your out of luck. I don't know anyone or anywhere to get a 3pt hitch for these MH tractors. I find it surprising that no one makes a good after market setup for these tractors. If you do come upon anything let me know I am also in search of a 3pt hitch for my MH 30. But, come to think of it I have never seen a 55 with a hitch on it ever. Mostly just pulling tractors. Good Luck "

Not yet...But I think you are reading a bit too much into this. I'm not 'downing' any other sub.. just saying that this sub is much more responsive, and with possibly better/ more timely info. After all.. the message was posted on both subs at the same time. I had at least 1 lead from this sub within minutes... I didn't even get replies from the other sub for quite some time... see where I'm going with this?

""I think you miss-quoated ""

I didn't quote the posts.. just a loose jist of them. The 'cant be done' was the overall attitude ( I felt) of the poster who decided that the (mh55) machine was only good for pulling. Some of it got jumbled together. it wasn't meant to be a person for person direct quotation.. just an example of the responses. My first post does state that i was only posting an -example-.. not 'wrote' posts.

""but did answer you question of... Is there a commercial supplyer on the web of conversion kits for the MH's... What I have seen is no... the Suppliers are focusing on the IH's, Allis, and JD's""

Lots of those people making those kits for the other tractors also are making custom kits. And I even mentioned that may have to be a possibility.. take a currently produced kit for another tractor and modify it.

""Sorry, after reading your replies I think your being a little unfair.""

Your opinion and you are entitled to it. I don't see it as unfair. I said that this sub is a tad better about replies and info. I don't see that as being 'unfair' to the other subs.. but rather a mere statement of fact. You can look at the numbers the other subs run... only a few run numbers like the N forum. Again.. not unfair.. just fact.. they either don't have the readership.. or the readership is 'slower' than our readership..

Soundguy

You are probally right, I interperted the use of "" as a quoat, reading too much into all this.

Thus, the problems with written text only.

Cheers,
Jeff

I think we have a good thing going here. Not only is it a great tractor resource, it is a resource for just about everything. Lots of people post here to get OT info, and actually get soem decent stuff. I know many subs frown on this.. but I think in our case.. it is actually one of the defining featurs of this board... free help, for all, about just about anything.

""You are probally right, I interperted the use of "" as a quoat, reading too much into all this.
Thus, the problems with written text only.""

I'll take half the blame their. I tend to type fast ( as I'm doing this inbetween other work at my day job) and I tend to misspell quite a few words.. and often don't quote at all. When i do quote, sometimes I just grab the first few words as a reference. other times like this one.. I just try to convey a rough feeling for the post in question. I'll agree that without face to face discussion, this text based communication can be very misleading... sorry if I came off overly harsh. It really was meant to be more of a "positive for us" rather than a 'negative' for them. I see ALL of YTMAG as a great place to be compaired to the vast majority of the many other tractor boards out their. ( with a limited few exceptions ).

Been nice chatting with ya... sorry for the misscommunication.

Soundguy

Soundguy

Kev

Soundguy

Kev

I think you are reading a w-h-o-l-e lot more into this than I intended. Calm down.. take a deep breath.. grab a cold drink.. and remember.. this is an internet chat sub.. not a presidental election. ( that was tuesday ).

Besides.. by looking at plain numbers.. this sub turns over alot more keystrokes than most others. ( this is not to say that a sub with low readership is bad... )

""I'm not sure if your stance of viewing one 'sub' as better than the other is all that important of a factor. As an owner of two Ferg's, I quite often read the posts for the N board as well as the Ferg's,""

As i stated.. I was trying to say how great a place I thought this sub was... not how bad a place any other sub is. For the record.. I think fergies are neat. I almost bought one a while back before I got my 2n. I like the little OHV engine and see it is a bit more advanced as the flatty we ferd' people are using.

""two tractors are not all that different, for some reason you wish for thier owners to be.""

Those are your words.. not mine.. I never made a statement anywhere near that. I don't 'wish' for any tractor owner to be anything other than.. a tractor owner.

I will say that the few times I've met face to face with fergy owners at a show they were the saltiest most grumpy people I have ever met, and are eternally hung up and bitter of the ford-ferguson lawsuit. I'm not negative about -any- tractors in general. All have their place. I also own green, red and blue ones. In general I see the green ones as being a tad overpriced, and lets face it.. lots of greens are parade queens while lots of fords are rusty bush-hog machines.

""The next time you 'proclaim' to open your eyes, try to open your mind first""

Yikes.. I think you are the one that needs the anger management course here.. I'm just hanging out and having a good time talking about tractors.. lets not get personal about this.
Considering I have more than one color of tractor.. I would say that makes me open minded when it comes to ownership issues. as that makes me a green owner, a red owner, and a blue owner, grey-red owner.. etc.

Soundguy

Part of the issue is shear numbers. Here you have THREE tractors (whaic are basicly the same anyway) with over 800,000 produced. I believe the MH-55 had less than 8,000.

Also, the volume of models asked about on the massey baord diversifies the knowledge. The Massey baoard has it's Dell's and Zane's, but they know the MF and Ferguson lines better.

Oh, I just realized you probally wern't knocking the Massey board as much as saying how thankful we all should be as to how helpful this board is.... Yes some very knowledgeable people here.

Jeff

My post wasn't limited to the MH55.. it was about MH and aftermarket kits in general.. that should have opened up the production numbers significantly.

""Also, the volume of models asked about on the massey baord diversifies the knowledge. The Massey baoard has it's Dell's and Zane's, but they know the MF and Ferguson lines better.""

Um.. exactly.. and yes.. you would think they would be specailized and have expert knowledge on their lines.. for instance.. like what brand/type of aftermarket kit would fit on their tractor.. however, even their own members were asking me If I knew of one that might fit.. go figure..

Soundguy

Jim Cox
Proud to hang out on the N board

I respect his experience, and his education (both scientific and empirical) and refer people to him almost daily. I do not contest his answers to questions even if I think I could add something. I do agree however, if I agree.

Seems that since I made reference to his goats and his legs not being the same length cause he was a mountain man in the mountainous NW USA and that he was an old pfart which is why he has so much experience to share with us, I've heard nothing.

Oh well, time heals all. Maybe one day, before I die, he'll at least give me the time of day.

Mark

(Now if you don't think this response is written in the best of comradeship, friendship, and admiration, you missed the point entirely!)

I didn't think about it but you really need to know a person before you start ribbing them. Need to know their past, their tolerance level, and what is near and dear.

Sorry to hear about the raw deal from Boeing. That happens more than we know. I made it to the end (before I got screwed.....I think....don't have the check yet) and am getting out while the getting is good.

But as far as the "old pfart" stuff, I ain't a appologizing fer dat. Figured we's about the same age and I earned the right to goose ya. Grin.

Thanks again,

Mark

I dunno!

Mark

Having read/posted on this board since sometime in the "90s - I guess about a year after it started - I have watched a bunch of times when the "kidding around" got UGLY VERY QUICKLY!! Some two or more years ago, a bunch of the guys got into an ugly tiff with Dell in the center. The result was a bunch "left" and have not returned. A loss to the newcomers that come, in my opinion, but fortunately there have been enough new guys with knowledge of Ford tractors to make up much, but not all, of the loss. My guess is that Dell avoids any "kidding around" from that experience as well as him not having the time to respond when he is spending a lot of time helping the newbies.

Read the linked post and you will learn that Dell is no stranger to adversity. AND maybe some of what has happened to him has dampened his ability to participate in casual "humor", I know it would do that to me.

Hope this helps you get a better understanding of Dell. I don"t think he is offended as much as just weary, as I feel I am at times.

Regards,
Larry

• Old post by Dell

I usually feel really good and in that perspective I'm jovial. Lots of times I go overboard and don't realize it.

Anyway thanks (from both of us) for your comments. I'll go and read the old post now.

Mark

It was heartwarming that so many of his "friends" on the board were "there for him".

Mark

Thanks for your comments, it would be nice if the board could be more like "sitting round the general store stove" but when the ONLY thing that you have for communicating is the printed word, many of the subtile things that make hummor fun are TOTALLY lost - the inflection in the voice, the way the eyes or head are held, the hands, and so forth. Those little things that tell everyone not to take what is being said seriously. And of course, the ones that do get "ribbed" even worse the next time. Regardless of our background, training, or vocation, there is a little of the "shop mentality" in all of us, that is the attempt to "one up" the other guys, something that can easily get out of hand. In the shop, when it did, the foreman usually put a stop to it pronto, since it would soon affect the production of the shop - could NOT let that happen!

When I was a kid there was an expression, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me!" But we have unwittingly trained ourselves to let "names" get to us. For example, how many people have been killed because they "purportedly" "dissed" (disrespected) the killer?? Too, many in the gettos! The "politically correct" requirement on speech is a manifistation of this "training of people" to be insulted/angered/etc. by simple words. This then allows the polition to "control" a group giving him power that he would not otherwise be able to obtain. The word that starts with the same letter as a certian tractor model, is an example.

If you have been on this board long enough, or have read other web site boards, you know that there are those, that we call "trolls", that LOVE to stir up trouble. And naturally, there are those that take up the "bait" and give the troll what he wants, power to control people, even if it is only the power to make them MAD! On the web it is SO easy to bait someone with vile words directed at them and it is almost totally without danger to the troll. BUT, in a bar, for example, a troll would not get away with some of the things that he can on the web because the person he is baiting is can physically present not far away in some other state.

Well, I have said enough!
Regards,
Larry

Be talkin to you and will keep your comments in mind.

Mark