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Today's breakdown (boring + long)

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Bryan in WI

11-09-2004 17:44:16




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So, my neighbors are putting some land in CREP and had to have it mowed. They hired the local farmer to mow it with his old IH chopper, which usually works slick. After a while though he pulled up in front of my house; his chopper broke down, bad clutch, and would I like to take over and mow the rest of it? Sure! Hooked up the KK hog to the N and started in.

Got two passes around one of the fields and was on the very far side when suddenly the eNgine just shut off like you had turned off the ignition. Of course this stuff always happens to me when I"m as far from the garage as possible; about a third of a mile in this case.

Check for out of gas; nope, not this time. Gave it a quick once over for loose wires. Poked at the coil wires. I keep a wrench and screwdriver in the toolbox, so I took off the fuel line, and gas came out, so that wasn"t the problem. Fished around in the tool box, and found a little aluminum wire that I was using for a clip. jammed it in a spark plug wire, held it up by the plug... no spark at all. OK, so something electrical. The switch? Tried jumpering the switch with the tiny wire; no go, not the switch.

Walked up to the house and got a pail full of tools and all my old tractor ignition parts; all that junk that I always save because it might not be "used up" yet. Switch, points, coil, etc. Got the meter. Took everything I could think of because I didn"t want to walk back again. Once I got back down tot he field I gave it a try again just in case, no go, no spark. Started tracing the voltage. 6V across the switch with the switch off. 0V with switch on, good. 6V at the coil. OK, on to the distributor. Popped the top, bent the rotor contact, no go. Checked the points, not stuck closed. Gapped them with gauge, still .025. Went back over all the electrical connections and the junction block and tightened everything. The headlight switch connection was loose, but that wasn"t the problem. Huh. So, time to to start replacing parts at random! My usual technique anyway. I started with the condenser, seemed like a likely culprit. Put the new one in, and ta-da! It started right up. Bad condenser! (either that or I jiggled something). Has anyone ever had one fail catastrophically like that? Anyway, I won"t be saving the old one in my pile of probably good parts this time.

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Dell (WA)

11-10-2004 00:49:28




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to Bryan in WI, 11-09-2004 17:44:16  
Bryan..... ...condensers don't suddenly fail. ...but... the insulated feedthru screw that you jiggled when you replaced the condenser DOES SHORT-OUT and oooops.....no sparkies. You semi-fixxed it, but you really need to inspect the sidemount feed-thru screw and insulator more closely..... ....Dell, the self-appointed sparkie-meister



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Bryan in WI

11-10-2004 06:53:28




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to Dell (WA), 11-10-2004 00:49:28  
Will do!



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DickTN

11-09-2004 19:37:30




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to Bryan in WI, 11-09-2004 17:44:16  
One solution is to go to electronic ignition. No points, no condenser. If they ain't there, they can't fail. DickTN



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souNdguy

11-10-2004 06:50:47




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to DickTN, 11-09-2004 19:37:30  
Though electronic ignition is more precise.. there is quite a bit to be said about a non-complicated system like points... more or less, a spare cap and a finger nail file will get you home when you break down..... not so for when the e-ignition goes...

Soundguy



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gahorn

11-09-2004 20:36:46




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to DickTN, 11-09-2004 19:37:30  
Yeah, right, DickTN. That way when it quits...it"s quit! At least with the good-ol" system it could be fixed as easily as it was! Electronic ignition ---- good for new cars maybe....but for my N and my money...I"ll stick with the proven 60 year-old points/condenser.



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cargocult

11-10-2004 05:03:13




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to gahorn, 11-09-2004 20:36:46  
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I've switched to the newfangled electronic ignition and think it's the best thing since free beer! As a hater of change, it took many years of points problems to Bite The Bullet and get up off my hard-earned $$$ to make the change! Try it, you'll like it! I still have the stuffs to convert back if it fails, nothing was lost or thrown away. BTW: Gahorn! I have my e-mail addy on the site..you still don't! And, I'm still waiting for you to apologise to me for the SPAM comment a few months back! Of course, if you won't, I'll harass you everytime you post! ;-(

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MikeT

11-09-2004 19:26:49




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to Bryan in WI, 11-09-2004 17:44:16  
Yep! I keep two in the tool box.



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Randy NAA in Michigan

11-09-2004 19:11:25




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to Bryan in WI, 11-09-2004 17:44:16  
Long, yes : Boring , no

us novices read these posts and learn more every day. thank you.



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GAJIM

11-09-2004 19:10:52




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to Bryan in WI, 11-09-2004 17:44:16  
Bryan: A similar thing happened to me driving along (way too fast) on I-75 over 300 miles from home in my trusty ole '73 455 Buick Hotrod a few years ago. You might as well have turned off the ignition switch. Thank goodness I still had the original points and condensor that I changed out in 1973 during its 1st tune-up in the glove compartment. I got lucky & figured out the problem fast - got back on the road in about 10 minutes. By the way, I'm still runnin' the original 1973 AC Delco condensor for good luck in it today! But, I do keep another spare handy in the glove box. They just don't make tractors or cars the way they used to. I'd rather drive my 8N or the 73 Buick than the new Denali! GA Jim

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valhallareject

11-09-2004 18:47:04




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to Bryan in WI, 11-09-2004 17:44:16  
I don't recall ever having one fail out and out right while the engine was running...but I bet I can think of a dozen times when the tractor and I went to lunch....and the condenser decided not to come back afterwards. Amazes me how it can be working sooo well one minute and then be poofed the next. I will have to admit that the condenser is the one thing I never reuse....and you won;t find a single one on the tractor bench in the barn. My dear old greatuncle, rest his soul, used to have a rather clever way of testing the darn things too. He would remove them from the distributor and briefly touch them across the terminals of the battery (case to ring lug). Then he would simply toss it to one of us nosey, always in the way kids, to catch. If nothing happened he always threw 'em away. If we jumped out of our skin....back in they went!! In any event..thanks to the simplicity of the ignition system in these N tractors....I always carry a few tools and a spare condenser neatly packed in a large medicine bottle in the tool box. Whether or not the old one was bad or not....in with new and out with the old! I've never done the math...but I think I am lots of percentage points ahead of game!

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Geo in SD

11-09-2004 18:40:55




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to Bryan in WI, 11-09-2004 17:44:16  
I've seen quite a few condensers that are no good right out of the box these days. It's the first thing I look at when a no fire condition shows up.



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Barnstormer

11-09-2004 18:21:41




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to Bryan in WI, 11-09-2004 17:44:16  
I had that happen on a brand new (Ford) car in 1973. 2nd week of new car, at work, 22 miles from home, no start. The dealer towed the car. "Musta been bad gas", cleaned the fuel system. One week later, no start, had car towed to another dealer. I had told them, "do NOT change the timing", it is set up for max mileage. When I called about it they said, "timing off". I went to get it and it would not start. I pulled #1 plug wire, puney spark. I said coil or condensor. They tried coil, no help. New condensor, Yahoo! They wanted to charge me the $40 plus for towing and fix. I said no way! I paid $20 (for a .$50 condensor) and never went back. ps My last new Ford, though it could have been any car or tractor.

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Russ in SoCal

11-09-2004 18:02:08




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to Bryan in WI, 11-09-2004 17:44:16  
Bryan,
"Mebbe it was the .025" gap on the points?????



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Bryan in WI

11-09-2004 18:31:04




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 Re: Today's breakdown (boring + long) in reply to Russ in SoCal, 11-09-2004 18:02:08  
It is a sidemount 8N, so .025 is good.



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Russ in SoCal

11-09-2004 18:49:16




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 I shoulda oughta known that in reply to Bryan in WI, 11-09-2004 18:31:04  
but that brain cell was on vacation.
Russ



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