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Tire Not Snug on the Rim

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8N Is In

11-15-2004 21:24:12




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When I purchase my 8N a few weeks ago, the rear tires were in sorry condition, so I had the tractor dealer I bought it from install two new tires and tubes while it was still at the dealer. When the tractor was delivered, I noticed that one of the newly installed rear tires was not snug against the rim on approximately 1/8th of the tire. It has a gap of about an inch (between the rubber and the rim) at the widest area. The rest of the tire sits against the rim just fine. I've complained about it several times and am being told to drive it and the tire will eventually "pop" into place on the rim. I was also told by the dealer that installed the tires to pour some motor oil on the inside of the rim to help the tire slide into place. In addition, they said that there could be some rust that is keeping the tire from setting properly and that sometimes a new tire is hard to stretch so that it sets on the rim properly.
So, what do you think? Am I being told a bunch of garbage or are they right? I've used the tractor multiple times and it still is not setting against the rim. I don't want to ruin a new tire, so your thoughts and comments would be appreciated.

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8N Is In

11-16-2004 21:07:18




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 Re: Tire Not Snug on the Rim in reply to 8N Is In, 11-15-2004 21:24:12  
Thanks to everyone for their comments. I'm going to call the dealer the first thing tomorrow and tell him what you guys said. Now I have some ammo to use against them if they continue to give me the run around. Great idea about the soap mixture too. But, to clarify some things, I bought the tractor from a New Holland dealer and they use a local MFA tire place to install their tires. So, MFA is the one that I think has the most blame - especially since it was their tire installer who told me to use the motor oil. Thanks again.

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souNdguy

11-16-2004 11:24:30




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 Re: Tire Not Snug on the Rim in reply to 8N Is In, 11-15-2004 21:24:12  
I agree with the others.. Don't use motor oil as a lube.. use tire soap or tire grease.. or a vegitable based soap.

Chances are the rim was a bit rough or dented.. ( that's pretty much normal). He should have wire wheeled the rim down a bit if there was any excessive areas. Some minor gaps.. like 1/4" would be fine. I've got a front I changed on my 2n that left about a 1/4" gap for a few inches.. and the rim has been beat on pretty hard in the past... no biggie.

Deflate that thing a tad.. lube it up.. beat on it with a tire hammer and air it up like the others said.

If the rim is truly so rough that it won't set.. you'll be putting a new tube in it sooner or later anyway. 1" gap is just too much...

Soundguy

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ozbo

11-16-2004 11:20:12




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 Re: Tire Not Snug on the Rim in reply to 8N Is In, 11-15-2004 21:24:12  
Spray you some heavily soaped water around the rim opening and drive the tractor around a while. It will likely pop out and into place. If it doesn"t do it the first time, keep spraying everytime you use it and see if it doesnt pop out. Its not going to hurt the tire to drive a while on it waiting for it to pop out. If you had rather do it the hard way, take the wheel off and let the air out and beat it with a sledge hammer and hope it pops out. You can also overinflate it and see if it pops out.

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Jonwithanh

11-16-2004 04:02:15




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 Re: Tire Not Snug on the Rim in reply to 8N Is In, 11-15-2004 21:24:12  
A tire that did not pop onto the rim will not "Run on" the rim. it wil gather dirt and crud and rust. I agree with a soapy lubricant, never oil, oil eats rubber.

I would take it back to the dealer and make him do it right. If he is an honest man he will fix it. If he will not fix it I would never deal with him again.



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Loren.c

11-16-2004 10:00:15




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 Re: Tire Not Snug on the Rim in reply to Jonwithanh, 11-16-2004 04:02:15  
because the dealer failed to correctly install the tire, they should send someone out to do some warranty work.dont settle with some Bulls#@t line,as for the tire seating its self,fat chance,and Dell is right never lube with oil



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Stumpy

11-16-2004 03:17:53




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 Re: Tire Not Snug on the Rim in reply to 8N Is In, 11-15-2004 21:24:12  
I definetly agree with the 2 below posts! I mount my own tires. I cleaned my rims and still had a hard time getting the bead to seat all the way around, but like Dell said, by airing up to 20-25 psi and lots of lube it will go. Start by lettting the air out of the tire and pushing the bead down in the affected area. Lube it good, put the air to it. Sometimes the shock of a sledge hammer on the tread area of the tire will help. Lay the tire flat on the ground am take a swat at it like a golf ball. Didn't work? Ok air it down again, lube it and start over. See, this is why the "dealer" didn't want to mess with it. His greasy fries and old black and white TV were waiting for him in his trash infested office. (maybe not, but that's the mental picture I get)

:) Stumpy

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Dell (WA)

11-16-2004 01:43:40




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 Re: Tire Not Snug on the Rim in reply to 8N Is In, 11-15-2004 21:24:12  
8N Is In..... ..... ..NEVER USE MOTOR OIL ON TIRES AS AN INSTALLATION LUBRICANT!!!!!

Use a water based lubricant (dish soap).

While your N's reartire pressure is supposed to be 12 psi; its not UNUSUAL to need 25-50psi to seat the beads of your tire. I'd be more concerned about pinching the tube. Gitt that tire seated pronto..... ..Dell



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8N Is In

11-16-2004 21:10:35




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 Re: Tire Not Snug on the Rim in reply to Dell (WA), 11-16-2004 01:43:40  
Thanks for the information. I appreciate it.



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jiminoystercreek

11-15-2004 21:52:43




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 Re: Tire Not Snug on the Rim in reply to 8N Is In, 11-15-2004 21:24:12  
I would find another tractor dealer in the future. Here's why: 1-If the rim had rust on it, the dealer should have caught that during the removal ot the old and installation of the new tires and taken care of it then. 2-The longer that tire is unseated on the rim, the more crud gets in the gap to ensure it will never seat right. 3-The dealer didn't do a good job of seating the tire or you would have never had the problem. 4- Sounds like the dealer is making it YOUR problem when THEY should have corrected it before delivery to you. Just my opinion, but if you think I'm wrong, call a couple reputable tire dealers and see what they think about this kind of work.

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gahorn

11-16-2004 19:56:27




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 Re: Tire Not Snug on the Rim in reply to jiminoystercreek, 11-15-2004 21:52:43  
If you DO let the dealer have another whack at it, you should tell him in no uncertain terms he'd better NOT put any OIL on it! He's supposed to use tire soap.



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