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Paul Yanko

11-22-2004 12:04:08




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Hello Ners,

I first became aware of this fabulous forum shortly after purchasing my first tractor, a 2N (#104953) about two years ago.

I'm a city kid and, really, I don't think I could've kept the thing running without the help of the information I've found here over the years.

Which brings me to this: I'm a writer, and I'm working on an article about buying used tractors for use on a small hobby type of farm, or as we say in this part of Canada, an acreage.

I'm hopeful some members of this group might take a moment or two of their time to share some of what I know to be a wealth of knowledge and experience on this subject.

I'm looking for tips based on personal experiences - things to look for, things to avoid, anything to help a city person like me choose a general duty type of tractor.

I've read the "Buying your first tractor.." article, and yes, I plan to include a reference to ytmag.com for additional and more in-depth info.

Any tips you might provide would be greatly appreciated!

Cheers,
Paul

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Rick H. Ga.

11-22-2004 18:02:53




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 Re: Used tractor buying tips in reply to Paul Yanko, 11-22-2004 12:04:08  
Hi Paul,

I would like to read your article when you get it done.

Here is my .02 on good sources to buy from: If possible, avoid purchasing the machine from folks who buy only for re-sale. I believe the best source (if you can find one) is to purchase from someone who has owned and used the tractor for a while, especially if the history of the tractor is important to you (even if you have to pay a little more; it is worth it).

Auctions are fun but that is where the re-sellers usually get thier machines. I guess it is alright to buy at an auction if you like to gamble.

Reputable tractor dealerships are another good source of good used tractors. They usually check them out before they sell them.

As always, it is buyer beware. Do your homework and research before you buy.

If you purchase a 50+ year old machine, be prepared to work on it occasionally to keep it running. HTH.

Rick H. Ga.

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Jack - Illinois

11-22-2004 15:28:10




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 Re: Used tractor buying tips in reply to Paul Yanko, 11-22-2004 12:04:08  
If it has a fresh 1/2 (good) paint job it is time to really look close at everything else on it. Chances are they are trying to get more money for it than it is worth.



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Leemo

11-22-2004 13:08:56




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 Re: Used tractor buying tips in reply to Paul Yanko, 11-22-2004 12:04:08  
Look at the amount of wear on the clutch pedal. If it isn't badly worn the tractor is low usage.



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souNdguy

11-22-2004 12:55:48




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 Re: Used tractor buying tips in reply to Paul Yanko, 11-22-2004 12:04:08  
Do the usual stuff.. look for leaks.. oil in water.. water in oil.. look for repairs.. wireing condition.. tires.. ( rear rubber and rims can be expensive.. check the brakes.. Depending on the tractor design, sometimes leaking axle seals will lube the brakes... like on the early N' which had only one oil seal on the axle were prone to leaking worse than the late 8n with two seals ( which still leaked ..only less. ) Check rear hubs.. make sure the wheels won't rock side to side. Check out front spindles and steering play. Look for signs of repairs. Good repairs should not be a problem.. ( I often like to see evidence of a few (good) repairs.. lets me know the machine has seen some use, and maintenance..Also look cor cobbled repairs. Like a tangles nest of wire.. all different types and sizes.. taped and spliced.. look for fuel line cobbles as well. The easy stuff is to look to see if carb leaks and if charging system charges.. Drive in all gears, all ranges. In neutral Goose throttle to see if it stumbles, or revs smoothly. Check out oil pressure.. Generally we are happy with any positive pressure when hot.. even 5 psi... But more is better. See if the 3p lifts good and how long it will stay up. Check pto.. etc. With the tractor off see if there is side/side / front/back movement of the pto shaft.. if so, bearings are going..
Check air filter.. if there's no oil in it.. figure it has been that way for a while.., and the rest of the tractor will probably have had equal attention by the owner.

Often times the ground where a tractor sets is teltale of where you need to look for leaks.. dead grass under a carb tells you to look for a gas leak.. Castings that collect dust in certain areas obviousle leak, or are getting spalsh lubed.. etc.


There's plenty more.. but I'll let someone else take over from there..

Soundguy

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Bruce (VA)

11-22-2004 12:27:00




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 Re: Used tractor buying tips in reply to Paul Yanko, 11-22-2004 12:04:08  
Scroll back to page three and take a look at the post from Mike Slater, 11/18; he asked this very question & got a few responses, including a link to the Smith's site, which has the best summary going re buying an N. The best advice I've ever gotten about buying a used vehicle is to simply ask the owner what hs has done to it & what it needs. Most.....but by no means all....private owners will be honest with you. The one salient point that city folks need to understand about these old tractors is the 10 to 1 operating to maintance ratio; for every 10 hours of operation, you best plan on an hour of maintance. For example.....I think the owners manual in my pick-up says change the air filter every 30k miles; look at the operators manual for the N, and it says change the oil in the air filter under dusty conditions DAILY! Which explains why so many of these 50+ year old machines are still running: they were well maintained!

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Paul Yanko

11-22-2004 12:45:44




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 Re: Used tractor buying tips in reply to Bruce (VA), 11-22-2004 12:27:00  
Thank you very much, Bruce.

Smith's site does have some great info - I'll never stop being amazed at how much valuable info is readily available on these little workhorses!

And my apologies to the group for asking a question recently covered.

I did a search of the archives, but I didn't go through the current pages to see if my question was there... oops!



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gahorN

11-22-2004 13:34:18




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 Re: Used tractor buying tips in reply to Paul Yanko, 11-22-2004 12:45:44  
Here's how a city-mouse living in the country can get a good N-tractor.
First, have your rancher/retired-engineer/landlord GIVE you his non-running (no spark/bad square-coil you, without really looking, mistake for some sort of obsolete magneto) rust-colored N-Ford. Do not make any attempt to identify it, just note that it has good sheet metal, excellent rubber (including one new rear) all around, and that it has a 4 or 5 foot shredder/brush-hog attached.
Second, without bothering to contact anyone knowledgable or buying a FO-4 manual, simply call a friend who lives 100 miles away on a 100-acre place and likes to pretend to be a farmer (really a micro-chip designer) and who actually DOES own a tractor (Yellow MF) and ask him if he wants it. Tell him you have no need for it since you borrow your landlord's JD 4000 to mow the place the landlord really still owns anyway.
Third, help your friend and his buddy load it up, and drive it away, later trading it for a sprayer or some-sort and never to be seen again.
Fourth, after a few days, have the landlord change his mind after 10 years and sell you the land you've been leasing from the afore-mentioned landlord, who subsequently retires to a nursing home, having given his JD 4000 to his kids, and realize you have absolutely no way to keep the 25 acres of grass runways mowed. (Landlord had a plan for you to keep it mowed...you just didn't realize it.)
Fifth, after a couple of years renting a tractor/shredder a few times a year you really have built up a huge hunger for your own tractor, but just can't afford it....when....
Lastly, another friend takes pity on you and gives you another 9N Ford with great rubber that doesn't run and a shredder. INSPECT that tractor very carefully. (Say, thank you, while noticing it's got a flat front tire and only barely turns over.) Ask about the little doo-ma-hitchy thing on the PTO shaft, so you'll know what an ORC is. REPAIR the tractor with about $700 dollars worth of piston/sleeve rebuild kit, overhauling the distributor and carburetor, and changing the fluids all per your newly acquired FO-4 manual, with your own labor and with the help of fine new friends at this website.
GIVE THANKS TO GOD for good friends and N-Fords and for His gift of enough sense to learn not to look gift-horses in the mouth a second time! (Try not to about all the spare parts you once gave away. Think of it as bread-on-the-water.)

ALTERNATE METHOD: If it's all complete with good rubber and turns over (engine not frozen and holding coolant) and the hydraulics move upward while turning over,...buy it as cheap as you can. It can be made to work without much effort/money and you'll be in love with it.

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