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Paul in MD

12-09-2004 18:36:43




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An earlier question today prompts me to ask souNdguy about his PTO generator. With winter coming on we usually lose electricity around here because of ice storms. I've been thinking about a generator to save the food in the freezer and keep the beer cold, etc. but the generators I have HEARD in the neighborhood are LOUD. If I could use the PTO, my wife might actually look at the old tractor a little more favorably. How well does the PTO generator work?

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Paul in MD

12-11-2004 08:36:10




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 Re: PTO Generator in reply to Paul in MD, 12-09-2004 18:36:43  
Thanks for the input, guys, especially souNdguy. Might be time to create a genny fund.



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greywynd

12-10-2004 19:04:33




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 Re: PTO Generator in reply to Paul in MD, 12-09-2004 18:36:43  
Hmmm, gets me to thinking...I have an old Honda generator (8 or 10000 watt, I think), that the motor is cooked, but the generator is so heavy and had nothing invested that I never thought about fixing it. I'm wondering if I could fabricate bracets and adrive system to run it off the old 540 offset of mine...hmmmm

I smell a winter project here..it has the frequency and volt meter built in too.

Mark

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Barry in Indiana

12-10-2004 05:27:41




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 Re: PTO Generator in reply to Paul in MD, 12-09-2004 18:36:43  
I have often wondered about a PTO Generator and how hard it would be to fabricate one out of an old generator that has a dead motor. Here's an interesting web site that discusses some problems that might be encountered running for a long time on a OTO generator.
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Barry in Indiana
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Bob

12-09-2004 21:51:06




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 Re: PTO Generator in reply to Paul in MD, 12-09-2004 18:36:43  
Just remember, to get standard PTO speed of 540 RPM's for 60 cycle generator output, the engine will only be running just under 1500 RPM's.

This is good for longevity and fuel economy, but will drop your expected horsepower down quite a bit. However, I'll bet you could still get a very usefull amount of power from a generator.



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MikeT

12-09-2004 20:44:53




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 Re: PTO Generator in reply to Paul in MD, 12-09-2004 18:36:43  
Paul - Look at these earlier messages.

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Ideally, looks like you'd want to make a 3 pt hitch carrier for one and get a PTO shaft. Main thing is to get one with sufficient power output for your needs. Figure out what you need then add about 25% as a safety factor.



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souNdguy

12-09-2004 20:40:13




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 Re: PTO Generator in reply to Paul in MD, 12-09-2004 18:36:43  
I opted for the northern tools 12/13kw model.

According to its specs, 12kw requires 24pto hp.. if linear, 13kw (surge) would require 26 pto hp to realize. I've also heard that the hp numbers are conservative, and are calculated at about 20% lower than you might expect.. so those numbers may be closer to 19.2-21.2 pto hp. That said.. all things being equal.. my N, as a non-rebuilt unit is a tad tired, though in decent running condition. i figure If I cal pull 10k out of it, I'm happy. If I really need the extra couple/three KW I can hook up the NAA.. or undertake the monstrous task of detatching the 3pt mower on my NH 7610s, and then I've got 80something pto hp available....

So far I've used the pto gen on power tools and similar hard start loads. The governor on my old N has so far been able to keep the needle in the green zone on the genny, with 10 and 15 amp inductive loads as well as some incandescent loads goin.. no problems. Genny holds voltage excelent, as well as frequency ( I have a freq counting meter just for that purpose).

There are some more expensive units that are even better at freq and voltage regulation as they have active controll circuitry, whereas the northern units is more of a 'passive' capacitor based regulation.

It is going tocome down to how responsive and strong your N is. However.. engine load and HP usage is based on electrical load. If you are only pulling a 800w fridge, and a 120w lightbulb, 20 watt fan, and a 100 watt tv, you won't even be 'touching' the capacity that even a worn out N can produce...

For those that think the big units are too big.. there is also a 7.5kw pto gen.. I imagine any N that can start under it's own power could fully supply that pto gen with whatever it needs to produce max wattage, and still have quite a few HP left over.

I mounted my pto gen on a KK carryall, with a pallate as the flooring.

I paid 999.00 for the gen during the storm month here in fl. Their pto shaft was 120$ but was out of stock. I opted for a 79$ 'eurocardan' style shaft from tsc... works great.. and i much prefer the soud of a tractor engine.. than that of a gas powered generator, or lawnmower. i think it is an rpm and decibel issue. Small Gas motors run pretty high revs to make power.. and have virtually no exhaust dampening.

Also.. as you point out.. the pto gen does shed some favorable light on the old tractor. I try to make my tractor 'pay' for itself as much as possible, as there while I was refurbing it a couple years ago.. it was a constant stream of money going into the 'pit'.


Here are some other considerations I thought about. With a self contained genny.. you have another engine to worry about.

I just sold an extra lawnmower I had that was virtually brand new ( 3ys old.. used a couple times.. craftsman). Ever time I would pull it out to use it.. the carb was gummed up.. and I had to rebuild it.. then it got parked back int he shed. i finally sold it to a coworker for half what I paid for it, just to make room in the barn. He can now have fun rebuilding the carb every year ( b/s engine ).

At least I use my tractor enough to know when it will or will not start.

Sure the self contained units are easilly toteable.. but heck.. If I really gotta have power outint he woods, and my truck is going out there.. I guess the N and pto gen can go along for the ride on the trailer... it is a tradeoff yes.. but there is no way I could have got a self contained 12kw genny for 1100 bucks.. not even close. With 12kw, I can run everything but the air handler and the air conditioning. heck.. If I start the air handler manually first, and let the load even out.. I could probably then kick the compressor in then, and then be ready to go for the next power outtage. ( we hardly run our ac anyway... I have tile inthe house, and it stays about 4-5' cooler than in a carpeted house.

Soundguy

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MikeT

12-09-2004 20:56:13




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 Re: PTO Generator in reply to souNdguy, 12-09-2004 20:40:13  
I remember a winter In Tulsa OK where the power at our house was off for 3 days. We had a forced air natural gas furnace (fan ran off of electricity) and a 6 month old baby. I tried to go out and buy or rent a portable generator but they were all gone. We kept the babies room warm with candles for 3 days.

Having a generator is a damn good idea and having an N to drive one would be even better!

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