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rm

01-06-2005 11:33:05




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smoke smoke and more smoke! I'm working on rewiring all the crusty connections on my 1950 front mount dist 8n. It's 12v, but not sure if it's a 6v or 12v coil. I assume it's a 6v because appears just a basic conversion was done and they left alot of things undone. Note, the tractor has been running fine all along. With that said, I replaced the 3 connection coil resitor, turn the key and the resistor started smoking, so i turned it off. I looked at the old resistor, and hard to tell if it's just burned out or not, but it has never smoked like that. Is this happening because I'm needing to do Dell's resistor trick? what's the scoop?

thanks,
Rich

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mhb

01-11-2005 07:36:55




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to rm, 01-06-2005 11:33:05  
we have seen some resistors that wer not countersunk enough for the studs so that when they are bolted to the instrument panel they short out so make sure its the resistor coil smoking not the wiring



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Bob

01-06-2005 14:35:20




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to rm, 01-06-2005 11:33:05  
With a front mount distributor, 12 Volt conversion:

6 Volt coil... use original ballast resistor, PLUS 6-to-12 Volt converting resistor... about 1.6 Ohms. You do NOT need the "trick" .5 Ohm resitor with this setup.

12 Volt coil... use a .5 Ohm 20 watt "Dell's trick current limiting resistor" and DISCARD the original ballast resistor.

How do you tell if the coil is 6 or 12 Volts if it's not marked?

Check the primary resistance, if you have access to an ACCURATE Ohmmeter.

A 6 Volt front-mount coil will have a primary resistance of about 1 Ohm, a 12 volt front-mount coil will have a primary resistance of about 2.5 Ohms.

(Check resistance between the primary stud terminal on the top, and the "coil spring thingy" underneath the coil.)

NOTE:

New ballast resistors WILL smoke until some oily residue that seems to always be present on them burns off.

I suspect, if it got REALLY HOT, really quickly that you may have a 6 Volt coil.

Note, also, if the engine were to be turned over a bit, the points will open, and no primary ignition current will flow, and there should be NO heating of the resistor while the engine is stopped, and the points are OPEN.

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rm

01-06-2005 14:52:43




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to Bob, 01-06-2005 14:35:20  
Thanks Bob,

I don't have an ohmmeter, but basing it sheerly on the fact that other than the alternator and battery, everything i've found to date on it is 6V, i'm going to assume it's the 6V coil too. Where do I aquire 1.6 ohm the 6-to-12 Volt converting resistor and part number? Also, do I put in in-line from the wire that is running to the coil from the existing ballast resistor?

thanks,
Rich

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Bob

01-06-2005 15:20:43




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to rm, 01-06-2005 14:52:43  
A generic ballast resistor from an auto supply will work, but there's a lot of part numbers, depending on the brand. I believe some NAPA numbers have been posted on here, as well as other brands. You might want to check the archives. I can look up a Standard Ignition number, if there's a store near you that carries that line.

Yes, you put it in series with the original resistor. If it turns out you HAVE a 12 Volt coil, no harm will be done by using the extra resistor, except the spark may be too weak to fire the plugs.

Here's a link to some diagrams: (The 5th one from the top will probably be closest to what you have.)

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rm

01-06-2005 15:55:56




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to Bob, 01-06-2005 15:20:43  
Bob, Ok, in going hog wild and just buying a bunch of parts some time ago, I was on FORD8N.COM and bought part number 8NE10306. It's on page 3, under "electrical starting& charging".
"Electrical resistor for 12-volt electrical system. Used in wire between ignition switch and coil." Is this the item I should be using? I may have had the solution to my problem here all along, just didnt know what it was for.

thanks,
Rich

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souNdguy

01-06-2005 20:43:27




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to rm, 01-06-2005 15:55:56  
Yep.. the 8ne10306 matches up nicely as a dropping resistor. i ran on on my NAA till I finally got a new napa real 12v ignition coil..

Soundguy



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Bob

01-06-2005 16:18:49




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to rm, 01-06-2005 15:55:56  
I've never personally used one of those, and do not know the Ohms value, so I can't say for sure, but it likely is usable. I'm sure someone will post with the Ohms value of that part number.



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rm

01-06-2005 16:57:06




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to Bob, 01-06-2005 16:18:49  
Bob,

going through lots of old posts, I have come to the conclusion that part is indeed a 1.6 ohm. Appears the solution was in my grasp all along. When I buy parts, I buy two of everything whether I need it or not. 1 for replacement and 1 for 10 years from now when I forget what and who I bought the stuff from.

thanks again,
Rich



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RB(VA)

01-06-2005 12:56:31




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to rm, 01-06-2005 11:33:05  
RM, If your conversion utlizes a 12 volt Generator, not an alternator, then you don't need any more resisters than you have.
The resister you have is needed to reduce voltage to a six volt coil.
Roy



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rm

01-06-2005 13:05:02




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to RB(VA), 01-06-2005 12:56:31  
no, it's 12v with alternator



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FLAcharlie

01-06-2005 12:20:32




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to rm, 01-06-2005 11:33:05  
Dell's resistor trick is to protect coils that can only handle 12 volts from the 13.8 or whatever volts they might be getting when running, just giving the coil a little break. The smoking resistor behavior shouldn't have anything to do with that.



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rm

01-06-2005 12:15:35




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to rm, 01-06-2005 11:33:05  
also, I did find an old Dell post that does say that a new one will smoke a bit for about 30 mins, but this seemed like quite a bit of smoke. There are no additional resistors added and the tractor has been running fine all along. not sure why all of a sudden it would change or why without that additional resistor, it's been fine all along.



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Jeb2N

01-06-2005 12:27:22




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to rm, 01-06-2005 12:15:35  
Yeah, a new Ballast resistor will smoke like that. I was surprised (alarmed) at the amount of smoke that came off of mine as well, but it's just some kind of oil or residue thats on it that eventually burns off. Nothing to worry about. If the WIRE starts smoking, then you have a problem. Basically, you're fine and all is normal.

Jeb



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rm

01-06-2005 12:37:19




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to Jeb2N, 01-06-2005 12:27:22  
ok, as long as i don't have to call the fire dept. I was just shocked at the amount, but if you say it's ok, i'll let it go, until something catches fire. My further question would be though, I've never had any additional resistors added, been running fine for 5 years. this is the first time i've touched it, because i'm bored and just figured it will be a good spring cleaning on it. I assume the coil will eventually burn out without the Dell trick, but maybe it's a difference of between 20 years or 10? I'm no techie, and I know better to not fix what don't need fixin, but just curious as to how it's gone this long without a problem.

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SteveB(wi)

01-06-2005 13:16:30




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 Re: Smoking Resistor in reply to rm, 01-06-2005 12:37:19  
that resistor appears to be the only eletrical component that works after you let the smoke out. Every other part when the smoke comes out the part is junk.



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