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Jeb2N

01-25-2005 05:07:07




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Hey guys;

i'm looking for a little information. I'm trying to find out what the bolts looked like that kept the wood table on the cordwood saw from extending out too far. The framework has 1/2" holes, but the triangle formed by the two pieces pivoting would suggest to me that either the "bolts" were curved or if they were straight, no larger than 3/8" in diameter. If anybody has a manual on this, I could use either a scanned page or just tell me what the entry is for these two bolts. It would also be helpful to know how long the springs were as well. My rough measurements show that they should be in the neighborhood of 6" long when the table is extended. Thanks!

Jeb

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Jimmyjack

01-25-2005 16:30:54




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to Jeb2N, 01-25-2005 05:07:07  
I believe my bolts are straight, but smaller than the holes drilled. I would also like to comment on the guards. I think they are best designed to keep someone from falling into the blade, but if built too rigid or too close they can be more dangerous than none at all. A piece of small wood can pinch between the blade and guard and that is the cause of many accidents. Too much stress can be put on the blade or it will chuck a missile out. Never, Never move in front of the blade. Have a person throwing the wood away after cut, and another person move it into position to cut. I also feel it is necessary to have the rig belted for safety purposes rather than direct drive off the PTO. I recently took the pulley that mounts on the tractor and mounted it below the rig with a short belt. Then I ran a PTO shaft from the tractor to the pulley. Now anyone with a 3 point hitch can use the rig, rather than just Ford hookups. It works great. If you pinch a piece of wood the belt slips, and you can recover without breaking something. Keep the blade sharp, let the wood feed itself, and use your head. There is not room for a mistake.

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ZANE

01-25-2005 05:33:06




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to Jeb2N, 01-25-2005 05:07:07  
I don't know the answer to your question but I am very worried that you may try to actually cut wood on a "cord wood saw".

In my thinking that thing is about the most dangerous machine that was ever mass produced and the makers of them today would be sued out of business before the first 100 were sold.

I was watching a tractor video yesterday of two men using one and it was scareing me to death just to watch. One false move and one of them was going to loose a member. It is just not worth the cost to try to use one of these saws.

A chain saw is dangerous enough in itself but it it a thousand times less dangerous than a cord wood saw and a lot more effecient.

Please don't use the saw. Build it for show but don't cut any wood with it.

Zane

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Jimmyjack

01-25-2005 16:51:22




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to ZANE, 01-25-2005 05:33:06  
Zane, I am in awe of your expertise, but I respectfully disagree with your comment about a chain saw being more efficient than a cordwood saw. A cord wood saw is much faster and requires less maintainance for wood in diameters up to about 12 inches. (depending on your blade diameter) People here up North depend on cordwood saws and use them with respect and diligence. My cordwood saws have saved many chainsaws over the last 35 years, but I also have reservations about letting anyone use it that is not familiar with the dangers or has not grown up using one.

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I concur!! Cargocult

01-25-2005 19:44:33




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to Jimmyjack, 01-25-2005 16:51:22  
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I agree..these things have saved me many hours and are safe as long as one operates themn in a safe manner! Of course, they were produced before the $#@%^$# LAWYERS took over this fine nation! If you can't use them safely, please don't try! Let the rest of us do it, OK?? Too many laws getting passed to protect us from ourselves! My opinion only!! GRRRR!!! ;-)

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billOH

01-25-2005 06:15:22




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to ZANE, 01-25-2005 05:33:06  
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"The Widowmaker"



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Jeb2N

01-25-2005 06:58:29




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to billOH, 01-25-2005 06:15:22  
Yup, that's it. For your info, I would never actually cut wood with it. The saw blade is missing a tooth and is badly rust pitted. i have just painted it up to preserve it and would like to have a nice display piece. At some point in time when we get one of our machines back up, i'm going to cut out a circular disc slightly larger than the blade and attach it as a tooth guard so no one can get their fingers caught in it. Again, it won't actually be running, I just want to show it. This is why i'm looking for the hardware. If I ever did plan to use it, i'd have to get a new blade at least.

Jeb

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Philip

01-25-2005 08:46:54




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 Blade guard in reply to Jeb2N, 01-25-2005 06:58:29  
Jeb, e-mail me and I will send you the AutoCAD file for the blade guard. I had mine laser cut at a little shop here in town. Turned out real nice. Will you be at the farm show in Louisville next month with Long? I saw the Survivor guy there last year. Philip.



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Jeb2N

01-25-2005 08:53:48




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 Re: Blade guard in reply to Philip, 01-25-2005 08:46:54  
Hey Phillip

No, I won't be at the Louisville show. I always go to Moultrie, GA, but they never send me to any of the others. If you are there, ask for a guy named Raymond Bullock, he's a close co-worker of mine. Also, you'll see some giant 8'x8' panels against one wall that they had me work on. That is, if we can get them to stand up on their own.

As for the guard, we can't burn anything that small here. We had a sheet metal nibbler that would do it perfectly, but it's unplugged right now and in another building. As soon as it's back up, i'll get one made. The bad thing is, when I had them shop blast my blade, it warped the heck out of it and now it wobbles about an inch side-to-side from heat warpage. I'm going to try to push and tug to get it back reasonably straight, but i'm also considering sources for a new blade or blade repair.

Could you give me any heads up on your springs and bolts for the table? I went back and looked at your pictures and it looks like you drilled an extra set of holes closer to the bottom for the springs so they wouldn't have to be so long. Is that true? Thanks!

Jeb

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Philip

01-25-2005 09:13:15




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 Re: Blade guard in reply to Jeb2N, 01-25-2005 08:53:48  
I did not drill the holes. When I got the saw there were 5/16" (I think) bolts and springs in the bottom set of holes, nothing in the top set of holes. I installed new bolts and springs upon restoration.



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Jeb2N

01-25-2005 10:03:17




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 Re: Blade guard in reply to Philip, 01-25-2005 09:13:15  
Maybe that was another change from the ferguson design. My ferguson A-LO-19 only has one set of holes that would roughly line up with your top set. Your bolts look a LOT shorter than the ones that I would need. I'm looking at about 6-7" long at least.



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don b

01-25-2005 07:22:07




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to Jeb2N, 01-25-2005 06:58:29  
Jeb.....like Zane says.You can use a bicycle tire[skinny tire]for protection from the blade teeth.I think I have the parts break down for the saw, give me an email. don b



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Leroy

01-25-2005 05:44:44




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to ZANE, 01-25-2005 05:33:06  
I have run a cordwood saw, now have 2, many a hours and I say a chain saw is more dangerous to cut firewood with than a cordwood saw



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duey

01-25-2005 09:05:50




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to Leroy, 01-25-2005 05:44:44  
Leroy, I'm with you here. I have cut many an hour with the N-mounted saw rig and also with a trailer mounted ten HP rig, I made a sliding table on the trailer unit and it is used yet today.

If one is to burn wood, there is *work* involved, unless "modern think" is used... meaning hire someone ELSE to do the hard work for you. Work means equipment and equipment means USE YOUR HEAD. I don't get it where folks just love and admire all the "OLD IRON" and want to apply OSHA college safety to everything. "Don't use a rachet, the socket could slip and you'll bust a knuckle". Then in the next breath run out and buy the cheapest thing possible from Harbor Frieght.

To me, it's fairly simple. If you don't know what you're doing, keep away, don't do it.

Cordwood sawing is hard work, and usually a three man operation. Respect the capability of the machine and take charge of it. I LIKE my saw rigs. And my chain saw. And I respect the pointy edges!! duey

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ZANE

01-25-2005 05:35:40




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to ZANE, 01-25-2005 05:33:06  
I have a real antique cord wood saw that is at least 80 years old mounted on half cross ties. The bearings are seized by rust and I intend to keep it that way. I child could loose a hand or finger by just turning it by hand. NOT!



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GAJIM

01-25-2005 17:01:32




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 Got One Too! in reply to ZANE, 01-25-2005 05:35:40  
Zane: I got a cord wood saw just just like the one you described too. It's also locked up from sitting out in the weather at the old family farm for who knows how long. I remember the last time it was used - about 1958. My Grandfather used to run it off a belt pulley from an Allis Chalmers Model C and my brother and I were not allowed to come within 50 yards of it. I still have the saw and the belt but my uncle sold the "C".

We now have it on prominant display between the house and the "Big Barn" for all to see. This brings back good memories! GA Jim

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steveormary

01-25-2005 09:03:49




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to ZANE, 01-25-2005 05:35:40  
We used a belt driven cordwood (buzz) saw from before I can remember up untill about 3 yrs. ago when I retired. Yes,you have to be careful and watch where you are at all times.

steveormary



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GAJIM

01-25-2005 18:11:21




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to steveormary, 01-25-2005 09:03:49  
Amen. Every time my father-in-law sees our cut-off saw, he tells the story of the blade coming off of their cordwood saw when he was about 5 years old in 1929. They were running the saw off the belt drive on a Fordson tractor cutting stove wood. When the blade came off, it cut the left arm of one of their farm hands completely off. He was lucky - they got him to a doctor in time and he didn't bleed to death. But, he did end up with an artificial limb. You just gotta be careful with farm machinery. GA Jim

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HW Pa

01-25-2005 14:40:59




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 Re: Cordwood saw hardware in reply to steveormary, 01-25-2005 09:03:49  
I keep my blade sharp with a file and DON'T let the wood pile up on the ground(it rolls off a slight bank). I am in the process of fabricating a clutch lever to operate from the left side of the saw...Yes we are very carefull with it and yes been bit by chain saws in the boots and cuffs***



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