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Plowing snow with an 8N

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Rick - Indiana

01-27-2005 08:40:19




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I have been reading some of the posts on plowing snow with an 8N. I am rebuilding a "52 8N that has a blade on the back and a narrow style bucket on the front. I have not used it for snow removal and I have some questions.
1. Is the blade better than the bucket (sounds like it is based on some of the posts I"ve read)?
2. Is it better to clear snow by diving forward with the blade or by driving backwards with the blade turned around? Probably depends on the depth of snow.
3. Are tire chains a must?
4. Any special tricks for snow removal over gravel driveways?

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Barnstormer

01-27-2005 18:11:34




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to Rick - Indiana, 01-27-2005 08:40:19  
Rick, you have asked. I'm going to answer without having read the other responses.
I will not claim to be the best or the expert. I'm going on 51 years of experience with an 8N and 4 years managing (and driving with) a snow crew for two large apartment complexes. Every situation is different and what works in one place, won't work in another.
I have a 400 foot gravel drive. It extends from my 60 feet of concrete ramp in front of my garage. I also have about 200 feet of gravel drive going out to my barn. Then there is the 650 feet of ashpalt private road to a 150 foot diameter asphalt cul-de-sac. I clean all of this. Our last 9 inche snow took me two hours initially and then the next day about an hour of clean-up. ALWAYS clean up and push it back. The next snow will be a lot easier to move.
My '52 8n has loaded 12.4x28 tires(no chains) and a rear blade. It has a Sherman combo hi/lo trans.
I typically plow going forward, driving through the snow, with the Sherman in high range and the 4 speed transmission in 3rd gear.
If the ground is soft, you will through gravel into the yard which creates a lot of clean up in the spring. I try to pack some of the lower snow down to freeze the gravel.
If you go too slow, you can't get the snow out of your way. If the snow is too deep and wet, I have to change tactics and turn the blade backwards and back into the snow and take smaller passes.
USE YOUR BRAKES! They can help you with traction, steering and, above all, stopping. If they don't work, fix them.
If you don't have concrete or ashpalt, use chains. The extra traction will help.
My wife thinks that I'm playing when I plow snow. If she only knew how much fun I am having!

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TEN10TRADER

01-27-2005 12:08:37




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to Rick - Indiana, 01-27-2005 08:40:19  
MOUNT THE REAR BLADE BACKKWARD IN THE FRONT BUCKET AND THEN YOU CAN PUSH SNOW- SEND ME YOUR E-MAIL AND I WILL SEND YOU A PICTURE- ROLLIE IN OHIO



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Steve(OR)

01-27-2005 13:17:58




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to TEN10TRADER, 01-27-2005 12:08:37  
C'mon Rollie, give us all a break and post your picture here. We're all picture junkies anyway!



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Pastor Bill

01-27-2005 18:11:33




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to Steve(OR), 01-27-2005 13:17:58  
I use back blade & tire chains.
Depth of snow determines whether you push or pull snow, I"ve found it easier to pull snow with blade at fairly sharp angle, pushing is more difficult for me and doesn"t result in nice smooth job.
also, with heavy "wet" snow, front end weights are necessary. (tractor steers funny with rear wheels)



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old

01-27-2005 10:52:33




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to Rick - Indiana, 01-27-2005 08:40:19  
If it where me I'd get or make a V plow that would mount on the loader, then you don't need chains since you would be running the rear tire on plowed area and it also does a better job then a back blade.



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ZippyD

01-27-2005 10:13:50




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to Rick - Indiana, 01-27-2005 08:40:19  
I plowed snow for years with my 8N before I got a Bobcat. Here's what I suggest:

-- You might get away without chains if you're on flat ground, but if you're plowing snow in hill country, chains are a must. I just used ladder chains, which, with the occasional use of a brake pedal, and plowing mostly downhill or on flat ground worked fine. -- For long runs on driveway-width areas, use the blade facing forward, slanting a bit to one side. I used to do my gravel driveway with three passes, first down the center with the blade slanted to the right, then down the right side with blade slanted same, then down the left side with the blade slanted to the left. Since my driveway is steep downhill, I made all the passes from the top down. -- For shorter, wider spaces, like parking areas, use the blade reversed and not slanted. Good for shoving snow into piles, too. Plowing backwards with the blade reversed works a lot better if you have stabilizers on the hitch, otherwise the blade will sometimes shift from side to side.
-- Loader is nice for picking up snow and moving it around, especially after several heavy snowfalls where sometimes there's no more empty space to shove it into with a blade, but a narrow bucket, especially since you can't slant it to one side or the other, will make slow going of routine plowing. A blade is faster.
-- Gravel isn't too much of a problem once the ground is frozen, especially since the 8N hitch has no down pressure, but those first few snowfalls can be a problem. Probably the best solution is to fabricate some bolt-on shoes for the blade that you can use when the ground is soft. Being lazy, I'd turn the blade around and plow forward with the blade backwards. Worked fine if the snow wasn't too deep, and didn't move nearly as much gravel. Besides, if you think gravel is a problem with the blade on the 8N, just try plowing snow with the bucket on a Bobcat!

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CraigF

01-27-2005 09:22:38




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to Rick - Indiana, 01-27-2005 08:40:19  
First off, I'm hardly an expert on the subject. I have about 10 hours of snow removal time in on my N so far. Second, here in MD, we don't get snow like many places get. We got about 10" last week, and that was a lot. It'll all melt off before we get any more snow. I'm speaking from pretty limited experience, so factor that in.

That said, I was in the same position as you a week ago... no snow removal experience (with the N, plenty with a plow truck) and reading all info on this board... it was very conflicting. Some people say chains are a must, some no... varying opinions about everything.

My advice? Try it out with what you have now before you buy anything. You'll get the snow cleared and learn what works and doesn't work for you. I was worried that it was going to be impossible with my N with no weights, no fluid, no chains, etc. but it works surprisingly well.

My neighbors all have driveways that are inclined, and most of them are gravel. Most are ~300 feet or so. I found pulling forward with the blade angled to be the most effective on gravel. I was amazed at how much snow it would pull uphill. Frankly, the comment "Forget even trying it going uphill" goes compeltely against what I found to be true just a few days ago. But we're not pulling the same snow on the same driveways with the same tractors, so I don't doubt that it's true for the poster. Again, that's why I suggest trying it out for yourself before you buy or modify anything. It's fun anyway.

I did find that using the blade 'backwards' (i.e., pulling forward with it turned backwards) worked better in the gravel since it didn't try to scoop up gravel as much.

On my paved driveway, I mostly pushed downhill backwards since traction was much more limited than the gravel.

Good luck and have fun,
Craig

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Pastor Bill

01-27-2005 18:19:35




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to CraigF, 01-27-2005 09:22:38  
Craig,
where in MD are you? Here in Garrett County, with the 8N tire chains are a must.
I agree with you about pulling uphill. It does work, most times.



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CraigF

01-28-2005 06:13:49




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to Pastor Bill, 01-27-2005 18:19:35  
I'm in North East, MD (creative town name, isn't it?), which is right up at the very top of the Chesapeake Bay. Cecil County. We don't get all that much snow usually.

I'm sure chains would make things easier, but I really was impressed with how well the 8N with empty tires and no chains did in the recent 10" of snow. I do have a couple of 65# suitcase weights on the frame for the rear blade which seems to help a little. If I get to a point where I can't get traction by working the brakes, I just pick the blade up off of the ground a couple of inches and off I go. I'm able to get the rest on a second pass.

This was a pretty light snow though... I suspect that with a heavy wet snow I'll have to take smaller 'bites' and make more passes. I'm going to avoid chains as long as it's possible since I don't want to mark up my paved driveway.

Craig

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Pa. Don

01-30-2005 03:27:10




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to CraigF, 01-28-2005 06:13:49  
I used to work in your neighborhood about 12 years ago for the Cecil Whig. In fact, I was there during the blizzard of '93'. Nice country side but I prefer northern Pa. so I moved back up here. Sometimes though I wished I had stayed.



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North Bay, Canada

01-27-2005 09:01:02




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to Rick - Indiana, 01-27-2005 08:40:19  
Rick

I do snow removal chores with my "new-to-me" '52 Ferguson. I have a gravel driveway about 100 - 150 yards long and a path to the barn about 75 - 100 yards. I use a rear facing snowblower and a 6 way blade (straight, angle left, angle right, forward facing & rear facing). Each mount on the 3 point hitch.

I was told to use the blade for the 1st couple of snowfalls so as to prevent throwing gravel with the blower. I now use the blower, and from time to time use the blade because the blower doesn't get right down to the base, but it leaves a small film of snow.

The driveway has a slight grade. Before I had my chains installed, the tractor would begin spinning and sliding sideways when i was using the blade - it was not very effective. Forget even trying it going uphill.

Since I had the cahins put on (my tires are not filled), the blade is very effective at removing all the snow from the driveway, but it creates snowbanks, which I then remove with the blower. Otherwise the snowbanks will creep in & the driveway will become very narrow.

I personally prefer using the blade in reverse and watch it work while still being able to see where I'm going - but I've read other posts where people complain about sore necks. Personal preference I guess. I don't think one is more effective than the other.

That is my $0.02 (Canadian Funds)

Have Fun

Gary

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Jim.UT

01-27-2005 08:47:58




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 Re: Plowing snow with an 8N in reply to Rick - Indiana, 01-27-2005 08:40:19  
Here's what I do.

First I pull the snow forward using the back blade, but I have the blade turned around facing the rear. So I'm using the rear surface of the blade to pull the snow. I do this so that the blade doesn't dig in and pull the gravel as bad.

I pull all the snow to the edge of the road. Then I turn around and push the piles (driving backwards) across the road using the front face of the blade. I have no neighbors across the road, just empty field so no one complains.

You could pull the snow with the back blade then use the bucket to put it where you want it. I don't have a front loader. I know people who have taken one of those narrow buckets and widened it for use in snow. You can move more snow that way and the weight won't overtax the loader. If you tried to lift a big bucket of dirt you might tip over! If you can find a spare bucket you could enlarge one for use in the winter then swap in the spring back to the narrow bucket.

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