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Good compression.... no power and smoke

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Patrick/N-Tiques/OR

01-30-2005 21:59:37




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I have been considering an overhaul to one of my '52 8Ns because it smoked and it just did not seem to pull like my other '52 8N. It would pull a 5' rotary in 2nd gear, but barely pulled my 6' finishing mower in 1st. My other 8N pulls that mower easily in 2nd.

Anyway, I did a compression test... all 4 cylinders read between 118 and 120! My understanding is that this is really good compression.

So, why the smoke and why no power? It appears from the compression test that the pistons and rings are it great shape.

I am new to engine rebuilds. But this really has me curios.

Any thoughts are appreciated.
Thanks!
Patrick

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stimw

02-01-2005 05:39:43




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 Re: Good compression.... no power and smoke in reply to Patrick/N-Tiques/OR, 01-30-2005 21:59:37  
Another possibility, mechanical advance frozen in distributor. There are weights that move timing with RPM change. If they stick it will run poorly.



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Patrick/N-Tiques/OR

01-31-2005 16:06:06




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 Re: Good compression.... no power and smoke in reply to Patrick/N-Tiques/OR, 01-30-2005 21:59:37  
Thanks All! I really appreciate the help!
I will let you know how this comes out.

Most Grateful to the people at this site,
Patrick


PS: Thanks to Kim too! :-)



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ZANE

01-31-2005 06:10:05




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 Re: Good compression.... no power and smoke in reply to Patrick/N-Tiques/OR, 01-30-2005 21:59:37  
First thing I would look at would be the igniton timing. If it is way after top dead center it will not have enough power to pull much.

Also look at the high speed mixture on the carburetor. Turn the needle in until the engine begins to falter and then back out until it will accellerate without faltering.

IGNITION TIMING ON THE FRONT MOUNT DISTRIBUTOR ON THE N TRACTOR

The same information works on the side mounted distributor tractor too but the timing is easier done by just loosening the distributor retaining bolt/s and turning the distributor right or left.

There is a screw or cap screw on the left side of the distributor housing that retains a rectangular washer thingy. This sits in a slot and you can adjust the ignition timing by loosening the screw and pushing up or down on the screw to move the distributor plate inside the distributor.

If the flywheel was installed correctly on some models of the N tractor there should be timing marks on the edge of the flywheel wheel that can be seen through a small hole in the clutch housing on the right side of the tractor. Make sure that the #1 cylinder is on Top dead center of the compression stroke and then see if the timing marks are visible through the hole in the clutch housing. If it is then I would mark the degrees that you want to time it to with a white pen or white paint etc.

If you don't have a timing light then just loosen the timing screw on the distributor side and start the engine and while it is running move it up or down until you hear the engine sounding right. If when you try to start the engine and it tries to kick back the starter then you have it a little too early on the ignition and you should move the screw down a little and try it again.

If it sounds like the engine is beginning to load the you are too far late with the ignition and the screw needs to be moved up a bit until the engine stop sounding like it is laboring.

I have never put a timing light on an N engine. Good ear or bad thinking????? ? Works for me for the past 50 years or so. Guess it works!

Zane

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01-30-2005 22:39:31




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 Re: Good compression.... no power and smoke in reply to Patrick/N-Tiques/OR, 01-30-2005 21:59:37  
Good compression but low power is either spark or carb problem. Also both or either can make one smoke, weak spark makes smoke because of un burned fuel and carb problem because of to much fuel.



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Bob

01-30-2005 22:27:29




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 Re: Good compression.... no power and smoke in reply to Patrick/N-Tiques/OR, 01-30-2005 21:59:37  
A good compression test does not prove that the OIL CONTROL RINGS are good. There may be a problem there.

Worn valve guides can contibute to oil burning, but typically not as much on these "side valve" engines as with OHV engines. Gasket sets include rubber seals for the OD of the intake valve guides, too, but this, again, is not a very likely source of problems.

Are you using oil?

Smoke from burned oil tends to be a bit bluish, while smoke from too much gas is more black.

If you are not using oil, and the smoke is black, it may be a sign of excessive fuel, possibly due to a mis-adjusted or defective carburetor or a restricted air inlet system.

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gahorN

01-31-2005 06:53:44




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 Re: Good compression.... no power and smoke in reply to Bob, 01-30-2005 22:27:29  
Zane"s advice is right on target and if that"s not the problem, Bob is probably correct on the secondary cause. (in my opinion) Black smoke will be a too rich indicator and you"ll likely have either carb and/or intake blockage problems. (Check induction hoses for collapsed liner, and the air filter for correct assembly, and clean/fresh oil. If none of that seems to be the problem, try removing the exhaust at the manifold and ignore the noise, try the tractor again for power. (Checking for exhaust blockage. A loose baffle or dauber nest, or ???? can block the exhaust and it"ll start and run but no power.

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BillM (OH)

01-31-2005 20:19:22




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 Re: Good compression.... no power and smoke in reply to gahorN, 01-31-2005 06:53:44  
how about the corncob that we drove up Dad's 8N exhaust pipe when we were kids -- just to see what would happen..... ...I forget now what did happen those 50+ years ago....



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gahorN

02-01-2005 00:05:06




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 Re: Good compression.... no power and smoke in reply to BillM (OH), 01-31-2005 20:19:22  
Well, Bill....it LOOKS like you now know where your Dad's old 8N is if you want to buy it back. Patrick might make you a good price if he doesn't find that cob and git it out of the exhaust! ;Þ



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ratface

01-31-2005 18:26:22




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 Re: Good compression.... no power and smoke in reply to gahorN, 01-31-2005 06:53:44  
I recently rebuilt my front mount distributor because of excessive play in the shaft. I don't know if this can occur with a sidemount but it seems logical that your shaft could also become sloppy. I had the same issues. Loss of power and smoking. The smoking has all but disappeared, the engine runs much better and faster at idle, and the power seems to be back although I really haven't ben able to brush hog with the snow. Spring will tell the truth. I also had a surging problem sometimes described as hunting when going uphill. At the very least I was able to test this and this problem has been corrected. I'd like to have a sidemount.

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