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Ramrod

01-31-2005 09:39:22




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It was cold and damp yesterday, but did some stuff and fired up the Old Warrior to warm up and admire my new guages. The oil pressure was fluctuating, not normal, and then saw the puddle. Why would I get a serious leak behind the spin on adapter plate when it has not leaked a drop during previous break in run times? Could the oil be too thick and pressure too high on that cold day? What about the engine assembly grease? I can see it dissolved now in my oil, is it making the oil too heavy? Could me oil filter have plugged and caused the blow out? Seems like it's always sumptin...

Ramrod

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Ramrod

02-01-2005 07:00:02




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 Re: NAA Spin On Adapter Leak in reply to Ramrod, 01-31-2005 09:39:22  
Worked on it yesterday, replaced the gasket behind the plate and the filter. There was a glob of solidified grease at the entrance of the filter. So I have learned to NOT keep the break in oil/assembly grease mixture in my new engine if it is cold enough to make this happen.

Ramrod



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LarryNAA

02-01-2005 05:10:08




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 Re: NAA Spin On Adapter Leak in reply to Ramrod, 01-31-2005 09:39:22  
I had the same problem w/ my NAA, after rebuild. In my case, I had incorrectly installed the pressure relief valve in the oil pump, during rebuild. (it's quite easy to do on an NAA...) and it was making well over 100psi, way off the scale. Too much pressure can bend the adapter plate, making it impossible to ever seal again. I had to get another kit from the NH dealer. It works fine now, since I fixed the oil pump, but it will seep a little oil on a cold NY morning. (Cold, as in minus 15F)

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Dean

01-31-2005 12:57:37




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 Re: NAA Spin On Adapter Leak in reply to Ramrod, 01-31-2005 09:39:22  
The molybdenum disulfide molecules in the assembly lube will not go through most modern oil filters so could have plugged the filter but would take a lot of assembly lube for that size filter. More likely just a gasket failure resulting from increased pressure due to rebuild and cold oil and/or defective gasket like earlier posters have suggested.

Dean



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Gaspump

01-31-2005 16:48:17




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 Re: NAA Spin On Adapter Leak in reply to Dean, 01-31-2005 12:57:37  
One of the primary purposes of using engine assembly is that it is easily soluable in motor oil and will not plug critical oil passages on start up. I have 3 brands of engine assembly lube on my shelf as of now and none of them list molybdenum disulfide in them. I have often warned folks on the board not to use chassis lubes in engine assembly, stick to name brand engine assembly lube!



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Dean

02-01-2005 05:39:43




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 Re: NAA Spin On Adapter Leak in reply to Gaspump, 01-31-2005 16:48:17  
I too would not recommend chassis lube, moly or otherwise, as am assembly lube. Nevertheless, many, perhaps most, good quality assembly lubricants do indeed contain molybdenum disulfide as it provides very good temporary protection between sliding parts upon initial start-up after overhaul. It is recommend especially for precision sliding surfaces under high loads such as camshaft lobe/cam follower in high RPM engines with strong valve springs because the moly bonds to the metal surfaces providing wear resistance during initial run-in. Additionally, as most modern engine oil filters will trap the moly particles even though such particles are far too small to cause any restrictions in engine oil passages it is recommend that one change both the break in oil and the oil filter after 20 - 30 minutes of run time.

Having said all that, because vintage gasoline farm tractor engines are high torque, low RPM designs, valve springs are low tension, valve lifter/camshaft lobe pressures are modest, and the use of assembly lube containing moly is far less critical in such applications. Finally, as I said in an earlier post, I do not know whether the Lubriplate contains moly, nor do I know whether the oil filter(s) used on vintage Ford tractors will trap the moly particles but it is reasonable to assume that they will as it is likely that the manufacturers use the same filter media in these filters as in the automotive applications.

Dean

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dan

01-31-2005 13:39:51




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 Re: NAA Spin On Adapter Leak in reply to Dean, 01-31-2005 12:57:37  
Dean - Lubriplate 105 assembly grease does not contain molybdenum disulfide does it? I was thinking it was just a calcium soap based product.

TIA,
Dan



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Dean

01-31-2005 15:15:03




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 Re: NAA Spin On Adapter Leak in reply to dan, 01-31-2005 13:39:51  
Not sure about the Lubriplate but many/most assembly lubes do contain moly.

Dean



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Leemo

01-31-2005 11:23:07




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 Re: NAA Spin On Adapter Leak in reply to Ramrod, 01-31-2005 09:39:22  
I had leak problems with the spin-on adapter on my Jubilee too. Turns out that the gasket that comes with the adapter plate set from New Holland is too thin and flexible. I had trouble with initial installation but gooped it up and got it to work....for a while. About the third time I used the tractor it blew out the gasket and started dumping oil. Like you mentioned the oil pressure was fluctuating funny. I went back to the New Holland dealer and complained. They gave me a replacement gasket for the adapter plate and it was thicker and stiffer rubber. It's been fine ever since. I hope your fix is as easy.
Later, Lee

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Dan

01-31-2005 10:52:18




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 Re: NAA Spin On Adapter Leak in reply to Ramrod, 01-31-2005 09:39:22  
Must be your new foreign made oil pump!

(Sorry - I couldn't resist!) :)

Dan



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