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Paul Leske

02-05-2005 06:05:42




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I have so much work to do on the old farmhouse this year that I am not sure that I will get to have a vegetable garden, but if I do, I will need some 3-pt. attachments.

I have an 8n with stock trans and my question is this; if I buy a rototiller attachment, will my 8n run slow enough in 1st gear to run a rototiller? Am I better off finding a plow and disc harrow for my potential garden plots? I would like to hear all your gardening stories.

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-Paul

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Bruce (VA)

02-05-2005 11:07:37




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 Re: 8n Garden Question in reply to Paul Leske, 02-05-2005 06:05:42  
The ground speed of an 8N is too fast for a tiller. Besides, unless you get one at a bargin, the cost of a tiller will far out weigh that of a plow & disc unless you are planting one huge garden. While BillOH pretty much sums up my tillage routine here in VA, it could well be unsatisfactory for you depending on your specific soil & climate conditions. For starters, you must be planting a pretty large size garden to even consider plowing & discing; a good size roto-tiller, which you are going to need anyway (unless you really plan on getting some exercise) is about all you would need to have some fresh veggies in the summer. My two rules for the new gardener is never plant too early & don't plant too much; I never listen to rule two. Also, remember that a gentleman farmer never plants more than his wife & kids can cultivate.

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TIMW(PA)

02-05-2005 08:56:48




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 Re: 8n Garden Question in reply to Paul Leske, 02-05-2005 06:05:42  
I used to go all out with my veggie garden. I would double dig, raised beds, all kind of fancy organic fertalizers and minerals and such and had a wonderful garden. Well since my back has been giving me trouble I hadn't put one in in several years. Last year my 11yr old boy wanted a garden. We are in a new house with no garden plot and I sold all my rototillers and such. So I told him to haul up the straw bedding that the lady down the road dumps out from her horses. She cleans the stalls EVERY day and is pretty clean.I fixed him up a trailer to the lawn tractor, and we ended up putting about a ten inch layer down right on the grass a month or two before last frost. Come planting time we just took a shovel and shoved it in and pushed it back and forth a few times to open a slot. Put the plant in and filled the hole with a handful of cheap potting soil, and pulled back the straw a few inches so it wouldn't burn the plants cause it was still pretty fresh. Anyway it turned out to be a pretty good garden. You could tell it was pretty acid (our soil is wet clay around here) ...so last fall I put on some lime and oyster shell and gonna do the same thing this year. Beats the heck out of rototilling and digging and dont look too bad either. pretty quick and easy....Good luck Tim

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Russ in SoCal

02-05-2005 10:30:49




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 Re: 8n Garden Question in reply to TIMW(PA), 02-05-2005 08:56:48  
Tim,
Ever tried chicken manure? Does wonders for acid soil.
Russ



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TIMW(PA)

02-05-2005 11:20:44




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 Re: 8n Garden Question in reply to Russ in SoCal, 02-05-2005 10:30:49  
Not recently. We used to have a big flock as a kid. Dad had some bee hives as well. One year he planted a field of clover for the bees. We used the cicken manure on that field. Wow! you never saw such big green White Dutch clover!. it is real high in Nitrogen so its good for Nitro loving plants too. But it is really hot too and will burn your plant if your not careful. I'll have to look around and see if i can get a load. Your right it probably would help....Tim

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hobo,nc

02-05-2005 07:21:44




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 Re: 8n Garden Question in reply to Paul Leske, 02-05-2005 06:05:42  
Am I better off finding a plow and disc harrow for my potential garden plots? I would like to hear all your gardening stories.
Yes! Then look fer a farmall 100, 130 , 140 to cultivate with and let the Ford do the hard work.



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Dimwit

02-05-2005 06:42:54




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 Re: 8n Garden Question in reply to Paul Leske, 02-05-2005 06:05:42  
A stock 8N will absolutly NOT drive slow enough to run a roto-tiller.(I found out the hard way) I'm not sure about with a step down trans however....

Joe



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Russ in SoCal

02-05-2005 07:21:56




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 Re: 8n Garden Question in reply to Dimwit, 02-05-2005 06:42:54  
Joe,
The step-down transmission slows the PTO speed also. There is a Howard transmission that mounts aft of the tractor"s transmission that slows ground speed while maintaining PTO speed. Not too many of them around.
Russ



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billOH

02-05-2005 06:33:56




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 Re: 8n Garden Question in reply to Paul Leske, 02-05-2005 06:05:42  
Paul,

I would advise against tilling with the 8N. The tractor isn't made for it, per se, and tilling should be kept to a minimum at any rate. By tilling the whole garden you'll destroy much of your soil structure. I plow once a year and disc twice a year and only till the rows that will be planted. Otherwise, I try to keep implements out of the soil.

The process looks like this:

Fall: Seed finished garden with winter rye, and disc seed into soil.

Early Spring: Bush hog winter rye and plow under immediately. Let stand for several weeks.

Mid Spring: Disc garden. With a stand-behind roto-tiller, prep rows for early crops.

Late Spring: Use tiller to prep remaining rows for later crops.

We have a stand-behind Toro tiller that works fine. My two secrets to a healthy garden are: 1) never ever leave your garden bare in the winter 2) till as infrequently as humanly possible.

Have fun!

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gahorN

02-05-2005 10:41:41




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 Re: 8n Garden Question in reply to billOH, 02-05-2005 06:33:56  
BillOH,...would you expand a bit on why not to till? I don't understand how that can be harmful. I have a walk-behind tiller, and every early spring I feel I must till the winter weeds back into the soil for a spring garden. Either that, or I must burn them off, and then till the remains. Can you educate me a bit on this? Thanks. (Sandy/loam on top of thin topsoil with rocky limestone in central Texas.)

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billOH

02-05-2005 13:42:18




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 Re: 8n Garden Question in reply to gahorN, 02-05-2005 10:41:41  
Tilling too deeply and frequently never allows for the soil to set up and begin its natural processes. This is precisely why you'll never find earthworms in a heavily tilled garden. Without critters and organic material in the soil, you'll end up with compact, barren soil that requires constant fertilization. The rise of "no-till" farming reflects a realization of this fact by large-scale farmers.

Keep tilling at a minimum and avoid chemical fertilizers. Chemical fertilizers are fine for the big fields, but I want my vegetables to be like pure manna from Heaven. :)

All this is just my opinion, of course. What works for me may not work for others.

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TIMW(PA)

02-05-2005 11:30:40




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 Re: 8n Garden Question in reply to gahorN, 02-05-2005 10:41:41  
Soil structure is very important. Every time you till the soil you introduce oxygen into the soil. This activates all the aerobic bacteria that feed on organic material. This is good if you are constantly adding organic material into the soil but if not it will colapse the balance and you end up with dirt that is dead. A good loam is equal parts of sand clay and organic material. If you have lotsa sand it is a must to ad some good compost in there to help maintain moisture and ph levels..... At least that is how I understand it..... Tim

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