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Three Steering Questions (in one post)

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Paul Leske

02-13-2005 12:49:01




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Hey guys,

I just replaced my kingpin bushings and I was amazed at just how easy it was. I used an automotive pickle fork to split the steering arm from the spindle and once I got a big enough gap I used a 3", 3 arm puller to press it off the rest of the way. The bushings were easy to pop out too using the bushing tool that I bought at Harbour Freight. The only peculiar thing was that the top bushing on the left side was not worn out as I had expected, but had slipped down and out of place. The new bushing went in a little too easy as well and I hope that the axle half is not too worn. Has anyone had the same experience? I reinstalled the old bushing beneath the new one because I thought that two bushings will slide less than one. It seems fine but I will have to keep an eye on it.

My sector shafts need adjustment. I dont have my manual around as I misplaced it and I am waiting for the new one in the mail. I have around 2 1/2"-3" play in the steering wheel. I have an 8n with the first generation steering box and it looks like a PITA to adjust. Should I mess with it or just leave it alone??

Lastly, I need to order a new steering wheel as the slines inside the wheel are stripped out. Like I said, I have an early 8n. Do all 8ns use the same steering wheel?

Thanks.
Paul

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jwm

02-13-2005 18:04:41




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 Re: Three Steering Questions (in one post) in reply to Paul Leske, 02-13-2005 12:49:01  
Paul, most of those steering boxes are worn out because the oil leaked out of them and no one replaced it. I would reccomend when you get it rebuilt put John Deere cornhead grease in it. Just replace the fill plug with a zerk fitting. It takes about 2 1/2 tubes of the corn head to fill it completely up so you don't have to worry about the top bearing going unlubricated. The corn head grease is a semi fluid grease. It will not leak out and it will flow back into the gears as it is mashed out.

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Bruce in 100 Mile House

02-13-2005 16:28:46




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 Re: Three Steering Questions (in one post) in reply to Paul Leske, 02-13-2005 12:49:01  
As part of a restore i am doing on my 49N I also replaced the king pin bushings and had the same problem with the upper bushing left side.What i did was take it to work and machine out the upper part of the housing and made a sleeve pressed it in and machined it to the original bore size.Luckily i am a machinist as well as the other trades i have under my belt so it did not cost me anything.I would think that if you took it to a well known reputable machine shop you could get it done for about 3 hrs labour @ shop rate.It really helps if you have a friend that is a machinist or can do some horse trading.Good luck.(PS It sure is fun working on these ain't it.)Bruce

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Dan

02-13-2005 16:16:39




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 Re: Three Steering Questions (in one post) in reply to Paul Leske, 02-13-2005 12:49:01  
Paul - you are talking about the spindle bushings. The king pin is the BIG hollow pin in the very center of your axle that the axle pivots from left to right on. It is far too uncommon for the spindle bushing to fall down in the hollow recess of the spindle and your spindle shaft will then be riding directly on the spindle housing - wearing it down. It was that way on my 48 8N as well. I ended up getting a replacement spindle housing, but I hear you can get an oversized bushing to go on the outside of the regular bushing to tighten it up in the housing so it won't fall down again. It is probably easier just finding a good replacement.

Your first generation 8N steering box is worn out - like 95% of them are. It is very hard to rebuild them good, but some have had success doing it. There are some that transplant a later model steering box in with is a ton better, but I "think" you have to modify the dash as well(?) Needless to say, my 48 still has several inches of play - I will attempt to fix it "one of these days" as it is very annoying - especially after I drive my smooth, tight, 52 8N workhorse around.

New steering wheels are very easy to find.

Good luck,
Dan

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Paul Leske

02-13-2005 18:06:18




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 Re: Three Steering Questions (in one post) in reply to Dan, 02-13-2005 16:16:39  
I am used to having old cars and I always called them kingpins but I did mean spindle bushings.

Thanks for all the help. It sounds like all 8N steering wheels were the same too.



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Hobo,NC

02-13-2005 15:32:00




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 Re: Three Steering Questions (in one post) in reply to Paul Leske, 02-13-2005 12:49:01  
If you have splines its a 8N wheel. I have a steer'n wheel iff'n ya need one email unhid'n.



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Jeb2N

02-13-2005 15:27:22




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 Re: Three Steering Questions (in one post) in reply to Paul Leske, 02-13-2005 12:49:01  
You do realize that the Kingpin bushing and the spindle bushings are two separate sets of bushings?

Jeb



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EDDIE8N

02-13-2005 14:33:06




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 Re: Three Steering Questions (in one post) in reply to Paul Leske, 02-13-2005 12:49:01  
Paul,
I don"t have my repair manual handy, but as I remember the early style 8Ns have eccentric adjusters which are adjusted by removing a bolt and turning the adjuster clockwise to tighten or c-clockwise to loosen. Adjust the sector closest to the steering shaft first, and the rearward sector last. Easy job to do, even if you decide to wait "til your new manual shows up.
Master Parts Catalog list pn 8N 3600 steering wheel years 48-53.
HTH,
EDDIE8N

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Paul Leske

02-13-2005 14:48:22




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 Re: Three Steering Questions (in one post) in reply to EDDIE8N, 02-13-2005 14:33:06  
Thanks,

I suspect that my 8n could be built in '47 and I know that the online parts places show '48-'53. I am having problems reading the serial # to know for sure when it was built. So I just want to be sure that all 8Ns use the same wheel and there isnt a chance of carryover from the 2N.



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Dell (WA)

02-13-2005 17:35:59




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 Re: Three Steering Questions (in one post) in reply to Paul Leske, 02-13-2005 14:48:22  
Paul..... ..due to the way the 8N's s/n were started in 1947, it is still a 1948 8N.

And there was a MAJOR CHANGE between the 1947 2N and 1948 8N front axle spindles.

And while wheel-bearings will interchange, frontaxle parts will NOT INTERCHANGE..... ...Dell



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