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Hyd Unit Rebuild Surprise

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Ramrod

02-18-2005 08:52:34




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Working my way towards the back end of the Old Warrior, and gotta surprise when I removed the hyd unit cover assembly. One bolt was just loose in the cover, and when exposed, saw the reason why. Some doofus managed to bust off most of the half moon casting that the bolt threads into. I know the right way to fix this is the big buck way, but is there an acceptable way to patch it up good enough for the bolt to at least snug down and hold? Could JB Weld fill the bill maybe? I'm thinking I'll have to haul it to the welder and have him fill it in, and then do the grinding and drilling/tapping myself, but looking for a way around that. Any suggestions?

Ramrod

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Jimmy D

02-18-2005 17:35:39




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 Re: Hyd Unit Rebuild Surprise in reply to Ramrod, 02-18-2005 08:52:34  
I haven't been in that area of my N yet, but speaking from my experiece as an aircraft mechanic, the proper way to repair any threaded hole is to drill it slick with a drill bit just big enough to remove metalic debries from the hole. Then re-tap the hole and insert a helicoil which will allow the exact same size orriginal bolt to be used again. Had to do this more times than I would like, due to the carelessness of someone else. I would suggest taking one of the orriginal bolts to a local auto parts house where you can pick up the helicoil kit for that size that has everything you need to do the job and is usually about 15 bucks or so...very easy to do.

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Jimmy D

02-18-2005 17:40:05




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 Re: Hyd Unit Rebuild Surprise in reply to Jimmy D, 02-18-2005 17:35:39  
Forget my last post...just realized that the issue isn't messed up threads, but material missing from arround the hole. JB weld is sometimes a real life saver



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Ramrod

02-18-2005 13:06:43




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 Re: Hyd Unit Rebuild Surprise in reply to Ramrod, 02-18-2005 08:52:34  
I'm giving Sounder and Dan the prize for this one, I like the stud/inverted bolt idea the best, with a new casting as so many of the rest mentioned a good plan B.

Thanks guys!
Ramrod



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Dan

02-18-2005 10:47:41




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 Re: Hyd Unit Rebuild Surprise in reply to Ramrod, 02-18-2005 08:52:34  
Does the casting go through to the internal cavity like the edge bolts do? If so, maybe you could turn the bolt around, put a washer on it to help it grab an edge, stick it UP through the cover, and secure it with a nut...

Sorry to hear of your "discovery".

Dan



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Gaspump

02-18-2005 09:47:53




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 Re: Hyd Unit Rebuild Surprise in reply to Ramrod, 02-18-2005 08:52:34  
If you did not notice the ineffectiveness of the bolt before removing the cover why worry? It would take some exceptional welding and precision machining to repair, likely cheaper to replace the whole casting! J-B Weld is a poor choice, not intended for structural strength repairs and oils will break it down over time. If I had your problem I would consider putting the cover back on carefully by evenly tightening the remaining bolts, sealing all surfaces then seal the one bad hole again. If it worked before it will work again.

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souNdguy

02-18-2005 09:26:09




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 Re: Hyd Unit Rebuild Surprise in reply to Ramrod, 02-18-2005 08:52:34  
Here's some random thoughts. You could have it brazed up, and re tapped. You could drill the bottom of the hole out so it wasn't a blind hole, and tap more threads for a longer bolt.. ( not sure there is enough metal for this ). You could drill and tap for a larger thread as well, or even heli-core it.. again.. I havn't seen the crack.. so don't know how much metal there is to work with. I'd deffinately braze before I welded it.

If the hole was not near the hyd standpipe... I might not even worry about it.. or if I did.. I'd braze and re-tap it.. and just not torque the heck out of it.. helicore or drill deeper and thread more.. etc... oversize.. etc.

The 2 bolts on either side of the hyd standpipe do the bulk of the work.. the rest of the sump isn't presurized.. again.. accept for the lower pump plate bolts around the corner test port at the bottom too.

JB weld.. or any goop-glue will not work in this situation IMHO.

At worst.. I'd braze/solder a STUD in there.. and forget about it... Think of it as a locating dowel pin for easier placement of the cover to the casting. If there is a bit of metal exposed on the half moon.. I might even let a good welder tack weld the stud into the hole.. just on the inner edge near the open area, where the metal can deform a tad without effecting the casting.. and then I'd braze it too! Add a nut to the stud when the cover is on.. be easy with it.. and have fun.

If this is a bolt around the standpipe... I'd be looking for a good machinist.. or a new casting.. latter being cheaper..

Soundguy

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Dell (WA)

02-18-2005 09:00:32




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 Re: Hyd Unit Rebuild Surprise in reply to Ramrod, 02-18-2005 08:52:34  
Ramrod..... ..while J&B weld is good stuff, its for joining 2-metals together permanently. CAUTION on castiron welding..... ....Dell



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