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Robert Hesselma

02-18-2005 10:05:17




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Hi all,

Recently did a valve job on our 52 8-N.

Exhaust valves were burnt.
Put it back together, and got decent compression readings (110/115) started it up, ran fine.
Retorqued head after an hour of running, still ran fine (no visible leaks)

Parked it for a couple weeks.
Started it up today to use, still runs fine, BUT now it is blowing milky looking oil out the breather/oil fill tube.
Yes, the filter/screen is present.

The water/anti freeze in the radiator looks fresh and clean, no oil.

The exhaust looks normal, no clouds of white smoke, black smoke, or blue smoke.

Should have done rings while we were in there, but again, compression was decent...though the readings were done on a cold engine.

Going to dump the oil tonight to have a closer look, but would appreciate any thoughts.

Rob

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Loren Boehm

02-18-2005 10:23:58




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Robert Hesselmann, 02-18-2005 10:05:17  
first how much milky stuff,possible condensation in,breather cap,check your oil stick real close,if there is extra oil you got a problem,just a thought did you pressure wash the engine befor the valve job as water could have made an unwanted entry,



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Robert Hesselmann

02-18-2005 11:33:50




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Loren Boehm, 02-18-2005 10:23:58  
Update;

During lunch, my son changed the oil.

He didn't check level fist.

The oil is milky white/VERY slightly green, very thin.

He ran it for a while, but it started blowing milky oil out again.

I checked the stick this time, looks normal, but has only run for 10-15 minutes.

The engine was NOT washed during or after teardown, we did get a little rain (tractor was outside) but I can't see anyplace it could get in?

Even IF moisture got in, why would it be blowing out, all I can think of is bad rings?

Rob

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Loren,c

02-18-2005 13:29:42




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Robert Hesselmann, 02-18-2005 11:33:50  
what dell said,if you do have your head checked,I highly recommend,! please ask the machine shop to magna-flux test,not sure what you would get if you ask to have it micro-flux.



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Scott-IA

02-18-2005 14:10:46




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Loren,c , 02-18-2005 13:29:42  
oops, you cought my fingers going faster than my brain. hehehehe

You are correct. My mistake..... ..darn fingers!



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Scott-IA

02-18-2005 12:37:14




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Robert Hesselmann, 02-18-2005 11:33:50  
Sound to me like you have either a cracked head or a leaky head gasket. Was the head microfluxed for cracks? If not, it'll have to be done at this point.

Next, head gasket. Gotta buy a new one and put it on. This time, paint both sides of the head gasket with "aluminized" paint (this is just what I call it)and slap er down and tighten her up in the proper order. This is a silver paint that actually contains aluminum. Shade tree racers use it all the time to seal head gaskets.

Ya developed a leak between the oil galleys and the antifreeze. Not sure if the head actually runns water on those or not. If not, I would bet more on the gasket.

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Dell (WA)

02-18-2005 12:31:13




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Robert Hesselmann, 02-18-2005 11:33:50  
Hesslemann..... ...it ain'chur rings, not with 115# compression, its sloppy headgaskett repair and maybe a warped cylinderhead. Iff'n you don't know how to check yer cylinderhead for warp (use a carpenters T-Square) take yer cylinderhead into a real automotive machine shop. They do it all the time. CAUTION: the flathead can only be skimmed/milled 1-time, a maximum of 0.010". TIP: soak yer next NEW headgasket ($20, cheap) in hotwater bath for about 1-hr and you'll have a "better seak" the first time. And NO, don't us enny pucky on yer headgasket..... ...Dell

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Robert Hesselmann

02-18-2005 15:49:46




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Dell (WA), 02-18-2005 12:31:13  
Thanks for all the replies!

I don't like to think of the head gasket installation as "sloppy", but as it appears to be leaking, guess I'll bow to that one...

It, and the block were very clean, and two coats of coppercoat were applied to the gasket (both sides).

I will take the head in to have it checked for flat and cracks.

Will let you know what we find.

Appreciate the help!

Rob

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Robert Hesselmann

02-18-2005 16:05:43




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Robert Hesselmann, 02-18-2005 15:49:46  
Okay, the head, or head gasket is faulty.

What then is causing it to blow/drip from the breather?

If water is getting mixed with the oil, it will be milky, but what is the source of the pressure pushing it out?

Thanks



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Dell (WA)

02-18-2005 16:31:20




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Robert Hesselmann, 02-18-2005 16:05:43  
Hasselmann..... ...you CAN'T have a "sealed" crankcase or your engine wouldn't run well whipping air around with the crankshaft throws and the pistons goin up-n-down. Its gotta breath. Ford just so happened to make the oil-fill'em-up tube using the same as the crankcase breather with baffolding.

Yer apparently milky-oil is usually natural combustion by-products that need HOT OIL to evaporate. And it takes about 1-hour to gitt the 6qts of oil hott-enuff to evaporate that stuff. And even though yer son changed the oil, unless it was HOT, it still left junk in the crankcase which is still making you notice something that is semi-normal because its not hidden under yer tractor hood like yer belchfire V-8 breather is.

H311 yer belchfire V-8 would probably show that same stuff except the environmental do-gooders forced what is now known as PCV (positive crankcase ventalation) on unwilling engine manufactures to suck that vent breather stuff back thru their carburators in the spirit of saving the world from Los Angeles SMOG.

And you're just noticing it now 'cuz you gotts bitt..... ....Dell

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Robert Hesselmann

02-19-2005 04:00:15




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Dell (WA), 02-18-2005 16:31:20  
Some days...my thinker runs in low gear...

Thank you for the explanation.

Since I'm in need of (much) education, one more question please;

On a flathead, the valve chamber is below the head.

Oil is pumped into the chamber, lubricates the lower end of the valves, and then goes back down (at least in my model A).

Since there is no oil being pumped into the head, how does oil mix with the coolant due to a faulty head/ head gasket?
I gotta be missing somthing here?

The 8-N is pressurized, does it pump oil thru the head for cooling?)

Rob

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gahorN

02-19-2005 08:04:47




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Robert Hesselmann, 02-19-2005 04:00:15  
You're correct. Oil doesn't get mixed in with water in the head. But coolant can leak into the cylinders via a faulty head gasket and get past rings into the sump.



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Robert Hesselmann

02-19-2005 11:54:21




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to gahorN, 02-19-2005 08:04:47  
Thank you!

Rob



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Hey Dell, good..John,PA

02-18-2005 13:18:55




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Dell (WA), 02-18-2005 12:31:13  
Just got back from W.W. Grainger wit my new "blackhawk" (tm) catalog. Iam buildn't up hope to do a 1st class job on my lady's engine this season in MY shop up NORTH. AIRCONDITIONED and everything. All depends on CITI-BANK. GEE..5th Ave. NYC 30 yrs. ago. almost ...personal.

Thanks.



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WV8N

02-18-2005 10:18:10




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 Re: Milky oil/blow by... in reply to Robert Hesselmann, 02-18-2005 10:05:17  
You didn't mention the dipstick. Does the oil on the distick look milky?



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