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9N'er

03-24-2001 10:11:31




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As some may know, I received a cast 9N aluminum dash earlier this week. The seller said it was in great shape, nothing wrong with it. As I start to refinish it, I take more notice of the large hole to the left of the ammeter gauge that was drilled by hand then a chisel was used to enlarge the hole around the perimeter, and a small round file continued to enlarge it..and as round files do, the hole is irregular, choppy and well, not good. It doesn't belong and to the person who wants to corectly restore this tractor it is not correct.

This is not the light switch hole, or the key switch hole. The keyswitch is located on the lower left corner of this dash (where it should be).

What do I do? I have had a hard time locating a cast dash. DO I send it back? can that hole be filled with aluminum material and then welded closed then ground and polished flat? And if my intent is to hand polish the cast aluminum panel, will that repair be noticeable because I do not plan to paint it over but show the aluminum? The hole is larger than a quarter.

Needless to say, with a lot of high expectations and the amount of money it cost it is a little disapointing. Advice? if you're goal is to do a thorough restoration, and as impeccable as possible what would you do? Try to repair it, call the seller and send it back? Live with it? and/or keep looking? thanks - 9N'er

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RockyMountain8N

03-24-2001 16:57:03




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 Re: Need some advice in reply to 9N'er, 03-24-2001 10:11:31  
A decent welding shop can heliarc the hole closed and you can file/sand/polish the weld flat and nobody will ever see it. Don't use any epoxy, filler, etc., do it right.



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9N'er

03-24-2001 18:12:20




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 Re: Re: Need some advice in reply to RockyMountain8N, 03-24-2001 16:57:03  
cllarification: with the repair you suggest, can I leave it unpainted and have it blend in once sanded smooth with the rest of the dash? I'm trying to polish the dash and leave that panel unpainted... what do you think?



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RockyMountain8N

03-25-2001 13:08:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Need some advice in reply to 9N'er, 03-24-2001 18:12:20  
Yes, you should be able to heliarc the hole up and then polish. Will take progressively finer sandpaper but should look great with some elbow grease.



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Bring it to Calif. I'll heli-arc it so you can't see it!

03-24-2001 20:37:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Need some advice in reply to 9N'er, 03-24-2001 18:12:20  



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Tyler (MD)

03-24-2001 16:30:53




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 Re: Need some advice in reply to 9N'er, 03-24-2001 10:11:31  
Bummer,

Have you called Pal...'er..a...your supplier to let him know of your problem? Did you get both halves of the instrument panel/steering housing or did you just need the upper? You should have the complete unit (upper and lower).

I had my aluminum housing welded at work using aluminum rod of course.

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It was "v" 'ed out on both sides and welded on both sides. I only ground the lower side that mated to the lower steering housing. I left the top side as is for extra strength. The welder did a good job. I'm not a welder and I don't know how hard it is to weld cast. I guess one thing depends on the quality of material.

I was wondering what would happen if you had an aluminum slug/plug, made out of aluminum sheet, the size of your hole. Weld the plug to the hole in the dash. Wonder what that'd look like? I'd hate to do more damage though.

Get some advice from more experienced guys and go from there. I wouldn't hesitate to send it back and have that guy locate another one w/o the hole. Of course it could take you some time to get one. But he does have his connections.

BTW, the ignition switch was located on the lower right side of the instrument panel for a short period of time according to an article in the "N-Newsletter". I have one of those dashes with that switch located there.

Have fun!
Keep the quest alive and don't give up.
Tyman

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9n'er

03-24-2001 18:09:34




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 Re: Re: Need some advice in reply to Tyler (MD), 03-24-2001 16:30:53  
i plan to give the 'supplier/seller' a call and see if he has another one. no doubt, that it is bothersome, but certanly not the end of the world. just makes me more determined to see this through right, and not settle.

your dash is (from my reading and literature) an interesting one with the key on the lower right. I hadn't picked up on that until you pointed it out. Apparently 1940 saw three dash types evolve:

1. key on right of dash with starter button on left side.

2. key on lower left side of dash, with starter button on tranny,

3. key switch to steering column and starter button remained on tranny.

My current steel dash on the tractor has the key mounted on the steering column. The cast aluminum dash I just received is the mid-40 version (#2 above).

I rcvd an e-mail suggestion that marine repair shops are famiiar and skilled with welding props and holes in props. And suggested that Rod's advice below is a good idea to check into. It may be best to ask one of those shops who do that work on a regular basis. I'll post the results.

Can't see having a cutout rough hole in the middle of a dash for no reason. thanks. 9N'er

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Joe Ferguson

03-24-2001 12:16:40




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 Re: Need some advice in reply to 9N'er, 03-24-2001 10:11:31  
Hi,

Just a suggestion....

Some early N's equipped with Sherman auxiliary transmissions had cable operated with an handle
under dash instead of a lever in bell housing.

You may put an handle with support bushing in this
hole to hide it.

Good luck

Joe Ferguson



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Dell (WA)

03-24-2001 11:31:25




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 Re: Need some advice in reply to 9N'er, 03-24-2001 10:11:31  
9N'er..... .a bird in the hand is worth far more than any in the bushes and you've been out there.

Yeah, you were expecting NOS from a used tractor parts emporium and his defination probably was it ain't got no big cracks so it's in cherry condition.

I'm not a metalurgist, but I believe its repairable and probably non-detectable (with miracle gel? grin)

Bummer..... just one more obsticale to overcome, you can perservere..... Dell

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9N'er

03-24-2001 11:47:02




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 Re: Re: Need some advice in reply to Dell (WA), 03-24-2001 11:31:25  
I forgot about Repair Gel! how could I have forgotten that!?

Your answer raises the questions in my mind about old parts, buying sight unseen, and what is acceptable and what standards are too high for parts that are 60 years old. I think the answer lies in how rare is the part being purchased (or difficult to obtain), and to what extent is the repair and resulting visible defect, and cost.

There is probably not one right answer, but what I feel is best for my situation.

Sight unseen is a risk. NO doubt about that. Don't have an issue with the seller at all; highly respect and admire him...goes w/o question.

I'll probably hang on to it, try the repair similar to Rod's suggesting above, and if worse comes to worse, paint the dash; or attach some sort of gold plated horn button there to hide it with a glob of Repair Gel.

good hearing from you Dell. I'm glad to see you step away from Kerchoff, electrons and resistance formulas and delve into the realm of metalurgy. 9N'er

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Rod MI

03-24-2001 11:15:41




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 Re: Need some advice in reply to 9N'er, 03-24-2001 10:11:31  
I don’t now what you should do but if you decide to patch the hole you could use sum aluminum welding rod clamp a piece of sheet metal to the back and heat up and let the rod puddle up until its filled in I have never don’t this but I have seen this dun on boat propellers I would imagine you will see the patch this mite be the best dash you will find for a wile sow good luck



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9N'er

03-24-2001 11:50:02




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 Re: Re: Need some advice in reply to Rod MI, 03-24-2001 11:15:41  
I'm going to look into your suggestion and talk with some specialists who know things about metals, welding, cast aluminum etc. thanks. 9N'er



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