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Pooh Bear

03-14-2005 07:11:09




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Saturday I got out and got some nice seat time on my 49 8n.
Beautiful day to be out. Almost 70 with slight breeze.
I got a new (to me) dirt scoop and wanted to try it out some.
Got it mounted on the tractor and started moving dirt.
There is a little itty bitty stump in our yard.
Probably 2 inchs tall and thick as a shovel handle.
It was a pear tree we planted and someone ran over it and broke it off. I need to get rid of the stump before a tire gets punctured.
So pulled the tractor up over the stump and lowered the dirt scoop. Revved up the tractor to high RPM and took off in first gear. The tractor went forward a few inchs and caught the stump. Then the tractor just stopped. It set there at high RPM but not moving. The clutch must have been slipping cause I wasn't spinning a tire. Soon as I saw the tires weren't spinning I hit the clutch to disengage it.

My question is, was trying to remove that stump that way ok to do or foolish. I read about the tractor accidents here and that worries me. With the scoop caught on a stump if the tires would have kept going could the tractor have flipped over. I figured the stump would come out of the ground. It was a real small stump.

I figured having an implement on the back would act as a wheely bar. But then I read the lift has no down pressure. So I don't think it would work real good as a wheely bar.

I got another thing out in the front yard that I need to pull out of the ground. But I'm kinda afraid to try. It's one of those anchors that the guy wire off a telephone pole attaches too. They removed the pole but left the anchor. I would like to pull it out but don't if it is safe to do.

I'm a new tractor owner and some day I hope to be an old tractor owner.

Pooh Bear

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RWK in WI

03-14-2005 18:07:27




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 Re: Safe or not ? in reply to Pooh Bear, 03-14-2005 07:11:09  
About the anchor - the rod goes through either a plate or chunk of concrete. The key word is goes through the anchor. You can drive the rod under ground by hitting it with a sledge hammer. The rod will be driven into the ground sliding through the anchor. You could also dig it out, it is only about 4 or 5 feet down. I hope this helps you.



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souNdguy

03-14-2005 12:33:00




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 Re: Safe or not ? in reply to Pooh Bear, 03-14-2005 07:11:09  
Worst case scenerio, your 3pt implement would have limited max travel that your tractor could 'backflip' too. Assuming a solid toplink that didn't break, your tractor would not have went over far enough when the 3p travel reache max.. and the tractor at worst should have been able to spin tires with the nose point up, at less than a 90' angle.. still.. this is enough to ruin your shorts..

All that said.. a 2-3" stump.. I'd dig around it.. then machetti or axe it out.. then backfill and forget. Splitting it in quarters with an axe or wedge from straight down.. will splinter it and make it very easy to chop out.

I have an old beater chainsaw I use for small stump cutting. I dig around it then cut it off. bar and chain are almost hosed.. but unit was cheap and old.. It cuts fence post tops good too.

Soundguy

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Pooh Bear

03-14-2005 10:41:15




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 Re: Safe or not ? in reply to Pooh Bear, 03-14-2005 07:11:09  
Great info.
Haven't looked at the clutch adjustment yet.
Gonna try later today and see if it will.

Yep, scoop was at ground level, so definitely below the axle.
I was a math major in college.
I understand the geometry pretty well.

Saw a phone company truck out there today so I asked them about removing the anchor. They said forget it and that it had big bell shaped piece of concrete on the bottom of it 6-8 feet in the ground. They did say I could saw it off below ground level.

Thanks for all the info.
I read about these tractor accidents and they worry me.

Pooh Bear

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rbell

03-14-2005 08:25:07




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 Re: Safe or not ? in reply to Pooh Bear, 03-14-2005 07:11:09  
Pole anchor requires a long pipe and a round and round to unscrew it from the ground.
Or as stated below, dig around it and cut it off below ground level.



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tim in pa

03-14-2005 08:01:41




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 Re: Safe or not ? in reply to Pooh Bear, 03-14-2005 07:11:09  
pooh, as you've discovered, tree roots can be deceivingly strong (we can't see'em). the best method i know of to remove stumps is dig around the stump to loosen the soil some and enough to attach a cable/chain/stout rope. run the chain up and over a board (3-4 ft will do, some people cut a v-notch in top of board to hold chain in place), and then on to your tractor (attach lower then your axle). as you pull forward, the pulling motion will be redirected with some upward force as well and makes stump pulling much more successful. as far as yor slippage, assuming the trans did not slip out of gear, suspect your clutch was slipping. hth

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Russ in SoCal

03-14-2005 07:59:08




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 Re: Safe or not ? in reply to Pooh Bear, 03-14-2005 07:11:09  
PB,
Yer safe. You were pulling from below yer axle. If yer into geometry and vectors, draw it out. If the tractor wants to stick up its nose (rotate around the axle) with a low "pull point," the point would have to travel faster than the tractor and that ain"t gonna happen.
Have you adjusted the free play on the clutch? If ya gotta replace the clutch, it"s a terrible scary job to get into. . . . until you see how straightforward it is. No magic involved.
Russ

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RON (GA)

03-14-2005 07:47:22




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 Re: Safe or not ? in reply to Pooh Bear, 03-14-2005 07:11:09  
As far as the anchor is concerned, I wouldn't try to pull it up. Those things are 6 - 8 feet in the ground. Dig around it a foot or so deep, and cut it off.



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old9

03-14-2005 19:08:38




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 Re: Safe or not ? in reply to RON (GA), 03-14-2005 07:47:22  
My method of pulling small stumps/ shrubs,etc is to hook as short as possable to 3-point drawbar, lift and (IN REVERSE ) back up, all pull is adding weight to tires ( traction). If stump is too big ,dig.
By pulling in reverse ,front cannot go up and over .



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