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ratface

03-14-2005 11:27:44




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I've got an eleven year old girl and fifteen year old boy and 40 acre property. Was considering buying them a dirt bike. Is this a stupid idea? I remember when I put up a pool it came with a warning label stating it could cause death. So far so good, never leave them unattended. Anyone have good, bad, or otherwise experiences with their kids and bikes? Would a quad be safer?




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Tymoc

03-14-2005 14:34:12




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
If you must - 2 wheeler. When you get hurt on a 4 wheeler its usually bigtime. Small 4 stroke, detuned or throttle cable adjusted to get about 1/2 throttle response till they learn. Full gear, always supervised. 45 yrs experience with mini bikes, One and only one 100 mile enduro(what a long day), 5 yrs MX racing, some scrambles,dabbled with flat track but never had the guts for it, and some drag racing. Old bikes, new bikes, fasssst bikes, slooow old bikes. Did I ever get hurt?? No, but came close. Any body I know get hurt bad, yes a couple for life. Any body I know die....Yep. One guy while setting with a stalled bike in the road and 3, yes, 3 people who had kids killed on 4 wheelers. One of the guys I used to race with had a son killed shortly after getting his licence. 16 yrs old, been riding since 5. Did my kids have bikes, yes. Glad when they sold them. Would I by a new bike? Would love one. Would I ever buy my 4 yr old granddaughter a dirt bike. NOT IN A MILLION YEARS. Its your call partner. Be Very, Very sure.

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Sal8N

03-14-2005 14:04:11




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
I was 6 and got a BB gun, at 7 was driving the riding mower, at 8 was learning on the N, by 10 was shooting rifles and shotguns and riding horses and using a chain saw, at 12 got a Suzuki 100 dirt bike.

I wan"t "watched" by my father the way I watch my own kids, but he did teach me the right way to do things...but a young boy will find a way to do stupid things...especially drive too fast.

Something is gonna happen sooner or later and in many ways it will teach most kids some valuable lessons.

Can"t control everything for ever and you need to keep them safe, maybe try a go cart first, the roll cage is a plus and they are more stable.

Kids will be kids...but when they make a mistake on a piece of equipment that you let them use, you are to blame...not easy but that is part of being a parent...when they are 18 that"s a different story.

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Ramrod

03-14-2005 13:55:59




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
As an old MX biker, I can tell you that it will make them a much better biker to play and crash in dirt before they try to ride on the street. Just be sure that they are well suited up in protective gear before they ride, because they will crash, but in the dirt, and properly equipped, they will get up and ride away wiser.

Ramrod



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billOH

03-14-2005 13:27:04




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
Our neighborhood has a huge problem with 4-wheelers and dirt bikes. The teens seem to think any green space is open game for turfing, jumping, etc.

I hate the things.



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Curmudgeon

03-14-2005 12:52:51




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
Give some consideration to your neighbors also. Nothing more irritating to us who worked all our lives for a QUIET place in the country to retire to that to wake up Sunday morning with those things screaming. They are more than "40 acres" away too.



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Tim...Ok..

03-14-2005 12:46:31




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
I say it"s an excellent idea,I got my first dirt bike when I was 5,yes 5 years old..teaches the kids a little about responsibility,taking care of the bike etc,learned how to shift gears,honestly feel it made me alot better driver when the time came to get in a car..stick with the dirt bike,the quads do give a false sense of safety IMO and the inevitable crashes tend to be more drastic..stick to the bike
Tim

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Bob - MI

03-14-2005 12:35:23




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
This is a difficult one.

Dirt bikes are very dangerous yet can be a tremendous amount of fun. I rode them when I was younger and naturally graduated to street bikes when I got my license. I had my share of close calls but my reflexes and my defensive driving skills were really sharpened by those motorcycle days. I have survived some tight situations in cars by being able to avoid accidents and I know that"s a skill that I developed on two wheels.

You have to decide if your kids are resposible enough to respect your wishes and the power of the machine. A 4-wheeler is probably safer then 2 but anything with a motor can get you hurt or killed. If you want to go 2-wheel then I would suggest a small Honda like an XR-100 or even better, an old CT-90 trail bike. These have relatively low seats and are easier for smaller folks to ride. There"s a multitude of 4-wheel choices out there so it will really take a trip to the dealer to sort things out.

Safety is really important. Good helmet, gloves and boots are all things that your dealer can help you out with. Don"t scrimp here.

I loved the dirt bike days of my youth. They are some of my best memories.

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old

03-14-2005 12:30:09




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
Well most have said bad idea, but I have a 15 year old son and got him a Kawasaki 100 last year. First thing I did was show him it will do a wheelie and could flip over doing it. He wears a helmit no matter what. Thats how I learned to drive a stick when I was young and I also had my drivers liense when I was 14 but times have changed a little



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tomtoney

03-14-2005 12:29:16




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
My son (40) decided last summer to purchase a dirt bike for himself and his 11 year old son. My grandson was scared of his and it was fairly easy to show him how to operate it safely. Had it two months before he wanted to learn how to change gears. He loves his and just uses it to ride around our property. His daddy was another manner. Like some of other replies, felt he knew all he needed to know. Two days with bike when riding with some friends. Learned how not to jump. First jump, gunned the bike, it came off ground, he fell off back, broke his tail bone and came home in back of a truck. A year later, very seldom rides the bike. All in how kids are taught. 40 year old was to old to listen. Grandson very careful rider and really enjoys his. I agree it better if learn a early age how to treat equipment safely

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Steve IA

03-14-2005 12:19:39




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
Kids aren't experienced with motor vehicles and don't realize the dangers and their own limitations. Last weekend, here in Iowa, a 16 year old was showing off his new to him, 2004 Dodge Viper.(WHAT WERE HIS PARENTS THINKING?) He lost control, wrecked the car and killed the passenger. He'd owned it for 4 hours. My point is that providing kids with, or allowing them to have, dangerous things, just cuz Tommy and Susie have them, may lead to unfortunate happenings. I didn't and wouldn't do that for my kids or grandkids. Their your kids, judge the risks vs. benefits for yourself. Since you ask us strangers for advise, I suspect you have serious concerns about the safety of the kids already. Good luck. Steve

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CraigF

03-14-2005 12:04:40




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
A couple of things to consider, just my opinion of course... unfortunately I'm in a hurry here, but I'll try to make some sense.

Kids will go wild when they get the chance to take control of a motor vehicle... Would you prefer that they go through this stage under your supervision on your property, or in your car on the highway while you're at home wondering?

As a kid, I begged for years for a dirtbike, but never was able to convince mom. When I was old enough, I bought my own (& a streetbike) and went out and rode like a madman and was probably lucky to survive the first year. I firmly believe that learning at a younger age with parental supervision and guidance would've been far safer than going about it on my own as an indestructable (or so I thought) teenager.

Do a bit of research and you'll find that far more children are injured annually participating in school sports vs. riding dirt bikes. Would you allow your children to play sports at school? The point being that while dirt bikes are dangerous, they aren't more dangerous than some things that we all don't even blink an eye at.

Certainly dirt bikes are dangerous, but so are many things in life. Being obese and spending your life on the couch is proven to be very bad for you... will dirtbikes keep your kids off of the couch?

Quads are NOT safer. Initially it would seem so, since it seems more stable, but the difference becomes very clear when your kid is trapped under the quad after crashing. Kids WILL crash at some point. Also, the quad may install a false sense of security and the kids will be going faster sooner... and crashing harder.

Proper gear is very important. Please consider the cost of gear when factoring in what it will cost for the bike... Figure on another ~$200+ for a helmet, boots, knee & elbow pads and a chest protector for each of the kids.

Avoid the cheapo Chinese bikes that you'll find at auto parts stores and such. They're cheaper up front, but resale value is terrible and parts/service are an issue and the quality is not even close to that of the major brands. A small "big four" bike will work great and hold it's value very well. The Honda CRF (formerly XR) line is well known for reliability and holding value.

Get a small dirtbike, purchase the proper protective gear and help them learn to ride properly and safely and you will be introducing your kids to a wonderful family sport that they can enjoy for a lifetime. While you're at it, get one for yourself so you can enjoy the sport together.

Hope that helps some,
Craig

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souNdguy

03-14-2005 11:59:02




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
I agree with John. One of those 'utility' vehicles from a place like tsc for around 2900-4900$ would be a good compromise. Many have a canopy structure.. that looks to be 'rops' certified as well as seatbelts. And they have a dump bed. Multiple seats so 'everyone' can ride.. safely.. etc. Plus you can use it in situations where fireing up the 8n might not be called for.

Lotsa money for that.. but then a couple dirt bikes will have some cost as well.. and this just seems sooooo much safer.

My next idea would be one of those cheqp chinese 2wd 20hp tractors. They come in at 3999.. or at rural king for a tad less with a new credit account.. etc.

Then you have an extra tractor. One passanger.. but could pull a trailer.. etc. Has rops.. etc..safe(er) way to teach the kids to 'tractor', without leting on the old 8n with no rops.. no live pto or hyds.. etc good brakes.. ... ( plus you would have a second tractor! and who doesn't need a second tractor...)

Soundguy

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souNdguy

03-14-2005 12:00:59




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to souNdguy, 03-14-2005 11:59:02  
As a side thought.. if it was your kids' tractor.. perhaps they can make sume summer money with ??

Soundguy



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John IL

03-14-2005 11:48:45




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
From my experience, a quad is much much safer than a two wheeler. I'd go with one of the larger work-type quads. They tend to be more stable and maybe just a bit slower than the racing style quads. Plus, it would be a very useful tool for you to use around the acreage. Just my opinion. Whatever you decide, keep an eye on them and keep them safe.

John



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Bruce (VA)

03-14-2005 11:43:01




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to ratface, 03-14-2005 11:27:44  
I personally can't think of anything that is any more dangerous. Of course, I don't know your kids, but I'd never even think of getting one for my kid. She was well mannered & very well behaved..... by herself. Add one or two friends and her usual common sense & good judgement disappeared. The 15 year old son of a lady I work with just got out of the hospital with a broken foot from a dirt bike accident, and that was from not doing anything stupid on it.

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Ratface

03-14-2005 14:26:17




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-14-2005 11:43:01  
Wow! Some very good insight. A little more background. First I value the opinion of this board, don't consider them strangers, this is my fifth year here. Would ride on own property and would not allow them to trash anyone's planted crops. There is only three of us on the road and we get along well, neighbors have my permission to ride their horses anywhere on my place. Daughter and son can both handle the 8N on flat roadway. Both can handle the cub-cadet lawn mower. Both can handle the .22 during target shooting. Funny I never questioned the gun. I think what I just realized is that I'm nearby during all these activities and couldn't keep up with a dirt bike. Son will have driver's license next month. I owned a honda magna v-45 in my twenties and sold it when my son was born.

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charley7747

03-14-2005 19:22:46




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to Ratface, 03-14-2005 14:26:17  
Logts of good info here but every kid is differant. I have 1 son whom I would trust with anything I own and another whom I wouldn't trust to send to the corner store with my car. Like I said every kid is differant and will behave so even under the same upbringing. Gotta go with how your kids differ and are alike. Two wheelers? Got over 1,000,000 miles on 2 wheel street bikes. Don't matter how safe you opperate your bike, the other guy WILL pull out in front of you, try to pass you in your lane, pull over in your lane too close to you and all will claim "I just didn't see him". Three wheelers? Over 50,000 miles on the street (legal)and are much safer than two as far as being seen but are dangerous on corners if not constructed correctly. Two wheelers on dirt? Brought upon them. Too much power will kill you. Too little power will kill you. If your hill climbing you don't want to stall halfway up and tumble down tring to keep from getting run over by the still running bike. Too much power? may cause one to have a sence of being able to conquer all obstacles and find themselves in over their heads. Four wheelers on dirt? same as two wheelers except for more stability. Stability? mabe a s far as turning over on flat land. Some of the newer designs have very good 4 wheel suspension and ride creek beds, hills etc very well but also have a higer center of gravity which can be a minus. All comes down to YOUR KID and what is going to be done with the vehicle. Was stated above more kids hurt in sports than on 2 and 4 wheelers? What statistics were used? percentage? Has been my experiance with both contact sports and motor vehickles, not if but when and how bad will I be hurt.

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Pooh Bear

03-14-2005 20:31:47




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 Re: OT dirt bikes and teenagers in reply to charley7747, 03-14-2005 19:22:46  
I'd like to add another option.
VW Rail Buggy or Dune Buggy.
You got 40 acres to ride one on.
You can pick one up cheap.
I had more fun with mine that I would have had with a 4wheeler or a motorbike.
And I learned a lot about working on engines from fixing those old vw engines.
Just something to consider.

Pooh Bear



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