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gahorN

03-22-2005 07:29:59




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Hate to 'mit it, but I'm stumped.
I borrowed my son's Rhino post-hole digger and can't figure it out. (You'd think this would be simple!)
My 9N lifts all the way, there's no problem with my lift's travel, that's not the problem. But the auger won't lift clear of the ground. It's all standard Rhino, but the tip of the auger won't clear the ground for transport. There's a goofy, heavy-duty linkage which appears extraneous that is connected at the lower yoke to boom. It merely rocks around with an un-occupied upper fork stickin' up in the air, and there appears to be no purpose. But other than that,...the lower lift arms are lifting the yoke all the way....and the upper boom is connected directly to the top link at the spring (no adjustable link being used), but ...there ain't enough lift! to clear the ground. The point of the auger (when vertical) is jammed against the ground! What don't I understand about this thing! I can't transport it to the location to dig without draggin' it like a wet squirrels tail! I could barely get the thing mounted.

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Scrub

03-22-2005 13:33:46




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to gahorN, 03-22-2005 07:29:59  
You have the Auger mounted on the wrong end. Put the end that the auger is pinned to on the tractor then pin the auger on the end currently on the tractor. That should fix your problem. Good luck.



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Dell (WA)

03-22-2005 09:30:04




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to gahorN, 03-22-2005 07:29:59  
Horny..... ....is your $22 adjustable 3-point top-link turnbuckle screwed all the way IN? That adds altitude to the LIFT end where yer gearbox is. You could also chain the swiveling auger box pointing backwards towards the tractor. ...OR... you could remove the auger completely at the sheerbolt. I do, it makes it so much eazier to mount just the lifting arm and then attach the auger. Remember, lottza grade #2 sheerbolts. much cheaper than rebuilding gearboxes..... ...Dell

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Rob

03-22-2005 09:14:10




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to gahorN, 03-22-2005 07:29:59  
That Rhino link ramrod posted shows a 7" extension. If your auger has that extension between the auger and the gearhead it would explain the situation.

Remove that extension and the auger won"t drag on level ground. The hole won"t be so deep but the tip won"t drag. It might drag some on uneven ground.



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premie-farmer

03-22-2005 09:12:43




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to gahorN, 03-22-2005 07:29:59  
So is there a model that mounts well to an 8N I need to dig some holes for a barn and fence and was thinking getting one but having read this post I'm not too sure. Also how do you control it since you don't have live hydraulics?



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Dell (WA)

03-22-2005 09:38:43




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to premie-farmer, 03-22-2005 09:12:43  
Premie..... ...DON'T NEED LIVE HYDRAULICS. Yer PTO operates the PHD gearbox and guess what? Yer PTO also operates the tractors internal hydraulic pump for raizin'-n-lowerin. And since yer tractor is PARKED to dig yer posthole, everything works just fine..... ....Dell

P.S..... be prepaired to "sacrifice" some hack-saw blades to the PTO shaft godds. Sometimes the sliding PTO shaft is TOO-LONG and bottoms-out when you raise/lower the PHD. Remember cutt both inner and outter PTO shaft sliding ends same amount.

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premie-farmer

03-22-2005 11:53:12




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to Dell (WA), 03-22-2005 09:38:43  
yeah but doesn't the auger keep spinin when you have it out the hole when you move to another hole?



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Diverjeff200

03-22-2005 16:29:37




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to premie-farmer, 03-22-2005 11:53:12  
Hey,

Can't comment about the above brand but have used my Leinbach auger to drill 108 holes now with Chigger the '47 2N. I raise the auger, disengage the PTO, move to the next "hole", re-engage the pto, dig, repeat. My auger also has a rod that attaches to the auger head to align the bit.

Safety & blue skies,

DJ



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Russ in SoCal

03-22-2005 13:05:54




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to premie-farmer, 03-22-2005 11:53:12  
p.f.
If yer PTO is still engaged, Yes. If yer hydraulics are holding, i.e. not leaking down too quick, disengage the PTO when moving very far.
Russ



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Peanut

03-22-2005 08:58:18




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to gahorN, 03-22-2005 07:29:59  
I had the same problem after borrowing one from a neighbor. Never could get it to clear the ground. I ended up not using it and digging by hand. It was a bugger to mount too.



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Rob

03-22-2005 07:54:58




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 Sounds like mine. in reply to gahorN, 03-22-2005 07:29:59  
I extended my auger 7" so it would do that. That gives me maximum hole depth. How long is your auger? I think I have 36" of flute and a few inches of shaft above the flutes and then I added another 7". Myself, I want a 48" hole but I settle for 44" to 46". I think I couldn"t get away with adding another 2" to 4".

I can tie the auger up so it doesn"t drag but just moving from one hole to the next doesn"t matter much if I drag the auger some. I have a handle off the gearhead I can reach from the seat to tip the auger up some.

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ramrod

03-22-2005 07:45:23




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to gahorN, 03-22-2005 07:29:59  
Follow this link to pictures on their site, might help you figure it out...



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gahorN

03-22-2005 10:04:18




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to ramrod, 03-22-2005 07:45:23  
Wow! So many answers in such a short time! Great place to ask questions, Yep!
Got it figured out. There's no extension on it. It's pretty obvious once I noticed the lower lift-arm pins weren't exactly level/in-line/parallel with each other. The problem seems to be the lower yoke (shaped like an upside-down "U" is spread about 5 or 6 inches. This makes quite a difference in the PHD auger's available height. I removed it and tried to put it in my shop press to squeeze it back in correct shape, but my press will only allow a maximum of 30" of clearance and the yoke is spread so that it's outer ends are at 33". That explains why it was also such a very tight fit to get the lower link arms onto it. :{ Doh! (City mouse still larnin' how country mice survive!) ;Þ THANKS T'ALL FOR THUH 'TELLIGINT ANS'ERS! (It's great to have so many good online friends here at the N-Ford Forum!)

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Dell (WA)

03-22-2005 13:31:35




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to gahorN, 03-22-2005 10:04:18  
Horny..... ....lotta times them lower link pins can be installed pointin' INN insteadda pointin' OUT. Standard cat-1 11-hole drawbar is 26" + pins. And I'm quite surprized that yer uppsidedown "U" yoke has been spread. You may need to find a shop withha BIGGER PRESS..... ....Dell who still would install the PHD in a 2-piece operation, saves on the back ya-knows



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gahorN

03-23-2005 06:57:23




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to Dell (WA), 03-22-2005 13:31:35  
Thanks, Dell! Hmmmmn. Yes, these link pins are removeable/reversible, but I don't think that's the problem. (IS IT???) These pins actually slant downwards about 30 degrees as they point inward.



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Dell (WA)

03-23-2005 08:46:47




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 Re: post hole digger mounting problems in reply to gahorN, 03-23-2005 06:57:23  
Horny..... .....yeah, the linkpins should be straight/level. Sounds like you had the right "fixx" by using a BIG PRESS to squeeze the upsidedown "U" together. Start calling machineshop fabricators. BIG TRUCK repairshops. Probably a $20 squeeze..... ..Dell



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