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New head gasket, now no compression!!!!

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SW3

03-25-2005 20:18:22




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Hello, need some advice again. I just installed a new head gasket with all new bolts. All parts from NH dealer. Head gasket was paper type with metal around piston and valves. I installed it dry. I put a bit of pipe threed sealant on the bolts and torqued to 65lbs, in three steps. Now it is all back together and it will not start. Checked compression and have 25, 50, 75, 50. not good.
At last check about a year ago I had 100, 80, 82, 82. Not perfect, but she started and ran excellent.
After removing the head I cleaned all surfaces. There was quite a bit of carbon built up on top of the pistons and around the valves. I used a straight razor and wire brush and clean everthing very good. I also cleaned the underside of each valve and the seat as best as I could when the valve was open. I only used a rag for this and worked it back and forth under the valves when they were open. The rag got pretty dirty.
While cleaning everything I tried to keep the pistons clean and rechecked them before reassembly. The prior owner told me he rebuilt this engine about 15 yrs. ago.
As always, Thank you.

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ZANE

03-26-2005 06:48:35




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 Re: New head gasket, now no compression!!!! in reply to SW3, 03-25-2005 20:18:22  
Do what Stumpy said with the oil.

You got grit under the mating parts and the oil will seal it up long enough to run and running will spit the grit out the exhaust.

Zane



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SW3

03-26-2005 06:41:44




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 Re: New head gasket, now no compression!!!! in reply to SW3, 03-25-2005 20:18:22  
Thank you all for the ideas, I have not done anything else to this engine, except the head gasket change. I used the tractor all winter for snow removal. The reason for the head gasket job was the slight oil in the water (no water present in the oil), and the slightly low compression readings from last year. Oh yeah, there was no thermostat in there either and I wanted to put one in.
I will try putting some oil down the plug holes first, I was going to do that before reassembly, but forgot. If that does not work I will try the leak down test and go from there.
I did check the head for warpage when it was off. I only checked it quickly with the edge of a two foot level. I did not see any major warpage and figured that the 18 headbolts would straighen it out even if there was any. With all the other posts about not machining the head too much, I did not think I should mess with it. I will be kind of busy with Easter weekend, but will repost soon, thanks.....

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Stumpy

03-26-2005 05:07:32




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 Re: New head gasket, now no compression!!!! in reply to SW3, 03-25-2005 20:18:22  
Take about two tablespoons of fresh engine oil and pour it into each one of the four cylinders through the spark plug holes. With the plugs out crank the engine over a few revs to distribute the oil on the cylinder walls and push the excess out th spark plug holes. Reinstall your spark plugs (fresh autolite 437 would be my choice) gapped properly at .025". Fire in the hole buddy!

I think you just lost your compression through the cleaning process. The oil will burn off quickly. When the oil from the engine circulates it will restore the film on the cylinder walls that the piston rings ride on.

Have a good N day, post your results

Stumpy

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Rob

03-26-2005 04:36:16




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 Re: New head gasket, now no compression!!!! in reply to SW3, 03-25-2005 20:18:22  
Hard to see what changed the compression. There"s got to be more to it. What other work did you do on that tractor?



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Bob

03-25-2005 22:52:54




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 Re: New head gasket, now no compression!!!! in reply to SW3, 03-25-2005 20:18:22  
Have you put coolant in it yet? If you have, and it's not leaking externally, or into the cylinders, it's UNLIKELY that there is a warped head or "junk under bolt", or "bolt too long" problem.

Before tearing anything apart, I'd beg, borrow, or steal a cylinder leakdown tester, and apply compressed air to one cylinder at a time (with the engine correctly rotated so the valves are closed on the cylinder being checked). Following the instructions with the tester, this will give the % of leakdown for each cylinder, plus you will be able to hear where the leakage is occuring... past the gasket, past the pistons, or past the valves.

If a leakage tester is absolutely not available, you can break the porcelain out of an old spark plug, and thread the shell for an air fitting, or braze or weld an air fitting to the remains of the spark plug. Applying air to each cylinder using this home-made fitting will not let you compare the leakage between cylinders, but you'll still be able to hear where the leakage is occuring.

It will be interesting to hear what you find out with this project. My guess is crap preventing the valve from seating, or possibly cam timing problems.

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HOOKER

03-25-2005 20:38:22




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 Re: New head gasket, now no compression!!!! in reply to SW3, 03-25-2005 20:18:22  
sounds like a warped head,, take it back off, turn it over- get a square- stand it on its edge lengthwise on the head, now take a feeler gauge and see if there are any areas you can slide the feeler under other than the machined depressions in the head,, when thats done now pull yer studs out of the block and check it the same way,
if yer in OK i'll check it fer ya!!
repost results
jake

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Tymoc

03-25-2005 20:33:01




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 Re: New head gasket, now no compression!!!! in reply to SW3, 03-25-2005 20:18:22  
I wish I'd think longer before posting. To many posts. You said you used thread sealer. Did you get it under the bolts. If you did this stuff is not allowing the bolts to seat. Pull them and make sure the bolt holes are absolutely clean. Q-tips will work for this. You don't want anything laying in the bottom of these holes holding the bolts up.



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Tymoc

03-25-2005 20:28:59




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 Re: New head gasket, now no compression!!!! in reply to SW3, 03-25-2005 20:18:22  
Is it possible the bolts you used are a tad to long ??



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Tymoc

03-25-2005 20:27:22




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 Re: New head gasket, now no compression!!!! in reply to SW3, 03-25-2005 20:18:22  
Carbon build up will raise compression some but not that much. If valve had junk under it compression would only be low in one cylinder. Not likely all. Sounds like your head gasket isn't sealing. Did you tighten them in the recommended sequence. I'd pull the head again and check for warped head. Try to get the metal head gasket. Not sure if this will fix your problem but thats what I'd do.



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