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8ngreenhorn

03-26-2005 10:56:17




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My N only runs on full choke. Would a lot of sediment in my fuel tank and line be a problem? RPMs don't increase much at all when throttle is moved.




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Dell (WA)

03-26-2005 11:46:40




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 Re: Runs only on full choke in reply to 8ngreenhorn, 03-26-2005 10:56:17  
Greenie..... ....think about it, where does yer choke gitt itts gas? from the carb-bowl, right? and where does yer carb-bowl gitt itts gass? from the fuelline elbow, right? and where does the elbow filter gitt itts gass? from the glass bowl filter, right? and where does the glass bowl gitt its gass? from the up-inside the fueltank filter. So check yer fuelfilters first, glass bowl and elbow.

And then iff'n yer fuelline don't flow likka ol'man p*ssin' then blow-up the fuelline to unclogg yer inside the fueltank filter. Iff'n it don't flow freely ...then... remove yer undertank fuelvalve after draining yer gas and inspect yer non-replaceable cylinderical screen filter for crud-clog. Iff'n screen filter has desolved, then byte the bullett and replace the WHOLE FUELVALVE ASSY. Simple, eh?

BUT.....I don't think thats yer problem. Needin' to run onnna choke is indicative of 2-seperate possible problems. Leaky intake manifold gasketts ...or... weak sparkies.

To check fer leaky gasketts; spray WD-40 all-over yer manifold gasketts everywheres. (carb and block) The oil in WD-40 will seal enny leaks temporarily, then starter-up. Iff'n ya don't needda choke to keep runnin', then ya gotts leaky gasketts somewheres.

Iff'n ya still need full choke to keep runnin, then mor'n likely ya gottz WEAK SPARKIES!!!

You doubt? Make a calibrated sparkie tester outta enny ol'sparkie by bending the side electrode out for a full 3/16" gapp. Clamp yer sparkie metal shell to enny handy engine brackett/bolt and then plug enny sparkie wire to toppa sparkie-tester. NOW try and start yer tractor engine and WATCH yer sparkie-tester. Doo yer sparkies jump the gapp with blue-snott authority? or are they a weak redish/orangish excuse of a wimpy sparkie? Weak sparkies? Start with new points, gapped 0.015".

You do know ittza 2-bolt, 15-minute finnagle to remove yer frontmount squarecan distributor to change yer points on the kitchen table, don't you? Just un-snap yer 4-nipple cap and litter dangle. Unbolt and carry to table. Replacement is a reversal of the removal, ...except... finger start yer 2-bolts and then twist yer off-sett tang driven rotor untill it falls into the camshaft drive slot; now tighten yer bolts and snapp-on yer crab-cap. Simple, eh?..... .....respectfully, Dell yer self-appointed sparkie-meister

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Thanks fer your help..Joh

03-26-2005 11:54:50




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 Re: Runs only on full choke in reply to Dell (WA), 03-26-2005 11:46:40  
Thanks for helping us. I got my tot in the wringer helping my lady comply with her homeowners insurance requirements. So, I had to leave Florida in a hurry. I willbe looking for an office lease in Mississippi, next. They don't seem to have as rigid STATE licensing requirements there. Since the hurricane trauma is about over in the Pensacola, FL area, the authorities are starting to clamp down. I was reported for installing a hand rail on the outside of a house. The roofing inspector who was checking out some Mexican work next door, well, the inspector REPORTED ME TO THE AUTHORITIES! jOHN,pa

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thexpostman

03-26-2005 23:17:25




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 Re: Runs only on full choke in reply to Thanks fer your help..Joh, 03-26-2005 11:54:50  
John in PA if you were registered as a contractor in PA it is a simple matter to get registered in Fl. From someone who lives in Pensacola.



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THANKS..John,PA

03-27-2005 12:33:56




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 Re: Runs only on full choke in reply to thexpostman, 03-26-2005 23:17:25  
PA does not have a "STATE REGRISTRATION for Contractors". as per say. Some municipalities require a local license, though. Generally the license is only $25.00.

I have been a refrigeration contractor (self-employed) for the past 35 yrs.

I checked with TALLAHASSEE about a state of FLORIDA license, and, the cost would be $5,000.00 annually. The testing for a refrigeration service org. would be no problem.

Since there is no demand for my expertise in the local area in Pensacola, it would not be good business sense to spend the $$$$. My expertise is with large fruit storage rooms here in PA. Convenience stores and small restaurant work has no profit. A/C service is no better. DID all that 30 yrs. ago.

SO, for now, I am still looking for a temporary office where I can spend the winters in the SUN BELT while I monitor our loaded cold storage rooms here in PA. So, I am leading toward MISSISSIPPI. Closer to BILOXI and New Orleans.

Thanks for your input. John,PA

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PS: John,PA

03-26-2005 12:14:49




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 Re: Runs only on full choke in reply to Thanks fer your help..Joh, 03-26-2005 11:54:50  
The best arrangement for a homeowner there in FL. is to have LOWES send out one of their sub-contractors to do work on a residence. LOWES(tm) has the STATE of FLORIDA CONTRACTOR License. Their subs do the work, and of course, LOWES(tm) sends you a bill. They, (LOWES)(tm) has their list of contractor subs positioned in the rest-rooms.

CAREFUL, fellas. HTH



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Yes..John,PA

03-26-2005 11:26:11




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 Re: Runs only on full choke in reply to 8ngreenhorn, 03-26-2005 10:56:17  
I believe that I would start with cleaning all fuel filters. 1 in the bottom of the fuel tank which is best reached by removing the fuel shut-off valve.

1 in the carb. inlet

also the last is the screen in the fuel bowl assembly.

remove the drain plug from the bottom ofthe carb. and make sure fuel runs out the hole.

HTH....John,PA testing.



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Rob

03-26-2005 11:32:12




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 Re: Runs only on full choke in reply to Yes..John,PA, 03-26-2005 11:26:11  
Hey John, you know that screen in the tank. The fuel goes over that screen and not through that screen until that last inch or so which would be the reserve portion of the tank.
So I guess that screen can"t be part of the problem unless you"re down to the dregs.



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Right ON..John,PA

03-26-2005 11:36:00




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 Re: Runs only on full choke in reply to Rob, 03-26-2005 11:32:12  
Hey Thanks.

I am still sleepy.



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8ngreenhorn

03-26-2005 11:24:02




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 Sediment bowl off: flow. Bowl on, no flow in reply to 8ngreenhorn, 03-26-2005 10:56:17  
With my sediment bowl off, the fuel dribbles like my grandpa. With the bowl on snug, nothing. If I loosen the bowl, fuel flows and overflows from the bowl. What gives?



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Dell (WA)

03-26-2005 12:16:14




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 Re: Sediment bowl off: flow. Bowl on, no flow in reply to 8ngreenhorn, 03-26-2005 11:24:02  
Greenie..... ...don't OVERTIGHTEN yer glass sediment bowl ...or... ya'll squeeze shutt yer glass cork gaskett and STOP the flow of gasoline. (tip: replace yer glass bowl cork gasket with improved neoprine "O-ring" gasket, NAPA p/n 730-9506. $50c, cheap)..... ..Dell



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Rob

03-26-2005 11:40:03




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 Re: Sediment bowl off: flow. Bowl on, no flow in reply to 8ngreenhorn, 03-26-2005 11:24:02  
You got the bowl screen cleaned and still only a dribble. The valve plugged up and need cleaning or you"re down to the last gallon and the tank screen is plugged. Sounds like you need to drain or siphon the tank and then remove and service the tank valve. You might have to remove the valve stem to get it all cleaned up. There is a tube off the valve into the tank and there is another sometimes gets plugged clear up hole into the valve that needs to be cleared. Study it when you get it off.
You do know that two turns of the valve opens the tube and open the rest of the way opens the other hole for a 1gal reserve to get back to the barn before your run plumb out.
If you"re good and your fuel system is tight then you can put that bowl on there and open the valve and no gas will run in there unless the carb float valve is open. It will just sit there with air in it until the float calls for fuel.

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Carb inlet..John,PA

03-26-2005 11:34:00




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 Re: Sediment bowl off: flow. Bowl on, no flow in reply to 8ngreenhorn, 03-26-2005 11:24:02  
Sounds to me that the screen in the elbow that part of the fuel line at the carburetor might be clogged. Thereby not allowing the fuel to flow from the bowl. When you loosen the bowl, the fuel flows out the bowl.

HTH

PS: I just got back to my PA office and don't have my manuals up and runn'n. I had to leave my FLORIDA office due to being reported to the authorities for installing a hand rail on a house without being a Licensed FLORIDA CONTRACTOR. I just quit and left before I was served with a $5,000.00 fine! So, for know, I am still going 80 mph. After I rest, I'll know more.

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