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Lori_TN

04-07-2005 07:51:16




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Hi. My husband checks here often while he is working on rebuilding his 9n so I thought I would ask ya'll about this one. David took his block in to have new sleeves put it in last week.
The guy he took to had quoted him $40 to pull the old ones and put the new ones in. We did not buy the sleeves from this guy because he wanted triple what we could get them for and we told him up front we were not going to buy them from him. David just called to see if the block was done and the man asked him if he wanted him to put the new sleeves in because that would be another $40. In other words he just doubled his price. Now I know this is dishonest, but what my question is.....is this worth the fight? In other words what would be a decent price to pay for the labor of having sleeves pulled and replaced? Just trying to get an idea before I go and pay this man a visit. He is the only person out here who sells and deals with tractor parts so he kind of has us between a rock and hard place. Thanks guys! -Lori

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Dan

04-07-2005 12:52:50




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 Re: just a 9n rebuild question in reply to Lori_TN, 04-07-2005 07:51:16  
The thinner original sleeves of the 9N tractors take a little more care than the thicker 8N type and a piloted sleeve driver is the better solution, but the hard part is getting the old ones out. If it were my tractor, I would pay the guy his $40 (and be happy about it as well), and install the new sleeves with a big chunk of limb a little larger than the sleeve from an oak or hickory tree and a large hammer. Clean the insides of the block bore with stoddard solvent and make doubly sure the sleeves get started in straight. Then, just pound them home until the tops of the sleeves are flush with the block surface. If you are worried about messing something up - $40 still is cheap to install them as well.

Good luck,
Dan

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Rick H. Ga.

04-07-2005 10:00:34




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 Re: just a 9n rebuild question in reply to Lori_TN, 04-07-2005 07:51:16  
I was quoted a price of $25 per cylinder to R&R sleeves in my 49 8N if I provided the parts. (This was 4 years ago.)HTH. Rick H. Ga.



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Rob

04-07-2005 08:19:22




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 Re: just a 9n rebuild question in reply to Lori_TN, 04-07-2005 07:51:16  
Regardless of the way the price played out, $40 is cheap unless it"s $40 each cylinder. Going rate here is $25/cylinder to remove and install a sleeve and then fit the piston. Maybe you can work a price that includes fitting the pistons and come in around that $100 figure to make it good. Sounds like he needs work and you need sleeves installed and pistons properly fitted.



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Dell (WA)

04-07-2005 08:11:55




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 Re: just a 9n rebuild question in reply to Lori_TN, 04-07-2005 07:51:16  
Lori..... ....sounds like you've gott the hardpart done for $40, pulling the old sleeves.

As you should know, sleeves are an "interferance-fitt". Meaning the OUTSIDE diameter of the sleeve is slightly LARGER than the block cylinder diameter. And that is what keeps the replaceable sleeves inplace, FRICTION.

Why don't you do the EAZY PART and install the sleeves yerself? and BRAGG'bout-itt? Just jiggsaw two round wooden biscutts to fit inside the sleeves. (don't haffta be very accurate) and then take a 12" length of 1/2" all-thread readdy-rod and 4-nutts and 4-washers and make a SPOOL to fitt inside the sleeve. Now fill the hollow spool with metal shrinking -100*F DRY-ICE chips (yellow pages, $10 cheap) and while wearing gloves, just gently slip the sleeve home into the block cylinder. The dry-ice will keep the sleeve shrunk untill you un-screw a nutt and let the chips fall out for re-use on the next sleeve. Simple, eh? Beats hammerin'em home and bendin'em..... .....Dell

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Rob

04-07-2005 08:05:27




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 OUCH! in reply to Lori_TN, 04-07-2005 07:51:16  



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souNdguy

04-07-2005 08:03:27




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 Re: just a 9n rebuild question in reply to Lori_TN, 04-07-2005 07:51:16  
I'm not sure what sleaves you had put back in. If you can still get the thin sleaves.. they can be a pain to reseat.. in other words.. easy to damage putting them in. if they are the thick sleaves.. then your block had to be cut to fit.

In either case.. I'd say 40$ was too cheap for a r&r.. let alone machineing them.. etc.

Your call on how hard you want to press the guy.. especially if he is the only game in town.

For what it's worth.. if it was 40$ to remove and replace.. and you had no machining done.. that's like 5$ a cyl on the pull.. and 5$ per cyl on the press.

IMHO.. I wouldn't touch it for that.. nor do I know anyone who would...

good luck,

Soundguy

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gahorN

04-07-2005 22:09:32




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 Re: just a 9n rebuild question in reply to souNdguy, 04-07-2005 08:03:27  
I always think of the example of the restaraunt. We don't take our eggs to the restaraunt and ask them to fry them for us, do we? Well, if we do, and the yolks break...do we have a leg to stand on to try to make 'em replace the eggs? I don't think so. The point is, that buying the parts from the shop that does the work can be the less expensive route after all, sometimes. In any case, I'd simply mention that I'd misunderstood and thought the $40 covered both remove and install....to see what he says. But then I'd also pay him to go ahead and finish the job if I didn't feel confident enough to do it myself. It's actually a pretty easy job. (Respectfully.....Forget the dry ice routine, tho'. Unnecessary and unnecessarily complicated too, IMHO. No offense intended.) Just clean the hole with solvent, dry it, and using a block of wood and a hammer, drive the new sleeve in. It's not difficult. Just get it started straight, and keep it going. I've done it with nothing more than a 2x4 cut into a 4" length and a mallet. Even if you broke one, they're cheap.

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