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Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n

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Pooh Bear

04-11-2005 02:23:05

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I am fairly sure my 49 8N would be too fast for a tiller,
but has anyone here ever tried.
What about with a Sherman transmission.

Is there any way to pull a tiller behind an N.

Thanks.

Pooh Bear

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BillM (OH)

04-11-2005 19:16:22

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2005 02:23:05

Pooh: I have always wondered why a PTO speed increaser wouldn't work to allow tilling with an N. Seems to me it would have the same effect as a Howard -- slower ground speed, faster PTO speed. If I had access to a tiller, I'd order one from Hub City and giv'er a try. So far can't find anyone who has tried it..... and don't want to spend beaucoup bucks on both until I know if it works. So -- still plowin' and discin'!!!

http://catalogs.hubcityinc.com/farmrev/model390.html

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Dean

04-12-2005 05:24:25

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to BillM (OH), 04-11-2005 19:16:22

Theoretically, this will work but you may be power limited unless using a small tiller. At 23-27 PTO HP the N will not have enough power to drive a tiller beyond maybe 48" in most soils, especially if the PTO is overdriven. Overdriving the PTO will increase speed at the expense of reduced torque available to the load, all else remaining equal. Finally, the tillers are designed for 540 PTO rpm and may not work well or even hold up if overdriven much.

Dean

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BillM (OH)

04-12-2005 20:06:59

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Dean, 04-12-2005 05:24:25

That is, of course the question. Would the 8N engine have enough power/torque to run a tiller @ engine RPM of 1000-1100 which would have tiller running @ 540+/- with the speed increaser installed. Perhaps not! I guess it's not like the Howard which would let the tractor engine run @ 1500RPM & slow down the ground speed.

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Dell (WA)

04-11-2005 08:24:29

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2005 02:23:05

Pooh..... ...yep, ya gotter rite, N's are too HIGH-SPEED for rototilling. And NO, Sherman's won't slow you down enuff to rototill 'cuz it also slows the PTO. To successfully rototill with a N-Tractor, you need the rare and fragile "Howard" aux-tranny mounted in the hydraulic pump chamber between the main tranny and the diffy, with the shifter lever coming out the 6" round dipstick plate by yer right heel.

Howsomevers; back in the 70's I used to see N's pulling 3-point mounted, aux-engined rototillers thru the central California vinyards for weed and grass control. And NO, I don't know who made them.

Bottomline, N's are really NOT rototilling machines but are GREAT 2-bottom plowing machines..... ...respectfully, Dell

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Stephen Grigg

04-11-2005 12:40:07

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Dell (WA), 04-11-2005 08:24:29

Dell
What do you mean a great two bottom plow machine? I just bought a 1940 9N Serial# 25..... All I have been told is the tractor is good for bush hogging only. What size botttom plow will the tractor effectively pull?

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Pooh Bear

04-11-2005 18:50:15

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Stephen Grigg, 04-11-2005 12:40:07

I just got a 2x16 to pull behind mine.
I took one of the bottoms off it
and it pulls it with gusto.
And I even got a slipping clutch.
Get the clutch fixed and I mite try pulling both bottoms.

Pooh Bear

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Dean

04-11-2005 12:48:49

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Stephen Grigg, 04-11-2005 12:40:07

1x16 or 2x12 just about anywhere. 2/14 in some conditions.

Dean

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Dell (WA)

04-11-2005 14:03:27

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Dean, 04-11-2005 12:48:49

Stephen..... ....my 8N Ford Owners manual has 3-pages of 10 plow descriptions.

The 2x12" moldboard plow is described as modified general purpose good for tough hard to scour soils. Which is why Dean said 2x12 will plow everywhere.

The 2x14 moldboard plow is described as used in the great majority of soils.

The 2x16 moldboard plow is described as used in light soils.

It should be intuitive obvious that 16" plows take more power than 14" or 12" plows.

Ford's first plow 10-1, was a 2x14 moldboard plow. The 1939 9N tractor was designed to be a 2x14 plowing tractor and sure nuff beats the competition following a 2-horse 1-bottom plow around the field.

Unfortunately, the English developed rototiller requires SLOOOooow groundspeed to pulverize the soil. Works well in gardens but most gardens are too small to even turn a tractor around in. N's are FAST groundspeed machines and just don't rototill without the rare and fragle "Howard" aux tranny to slow the groundspeed..... .....Dell

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9n8801

04-11-2005 06:21:23

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2005 02:23:05

Can not be done I understand
Leon

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souNdguy

04-11-2005 05:04:46

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2005 02:23:05

You can tell it is spring again.. the roto-tiller questions are starting to pop back up!

Soundguy

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Mike S

04-11-2005 04:13:43

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2005 02:23:05

I picked up a Bushhog RTS40 the other day and have used it some with my Jubilee. It could work better I am sure, but it did make a decent seed bed for some grass. Took about three passes to do it. It does work better behind one of those jap tractors that have the multiple gear arrangements, but I can't afford one of those so will make do with this.

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willie j

04-11-2005 03:34:34

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2005 02:23:05

Pooh Bear
A Sherman wouldn't help. It installs between the clutch & tranny, so it slows the PTO by the same percentage that it slows the wheels.
A Howard installs behind the main tranny so does not slow the PTO. It was designed for this type use, but they are very hard to find.

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Coldiron

04-11-2005 03:12:10

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Pooh Bear, 04-11-2005 02:23:05

Pooh Bear, I have a 51 8n with a Sherman Combo and even in Low, 1st it was too fast to pull one and do it right. My buddy had one with Howard gears and his N did a right fair job. Might see if you can find the Howard gears for it but they are getting expensive.

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Pooh Bear

04-11-2005 03:43:00

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Re: Anybody ever run a tiller behind an 8n in reply to Coldiron, 04-11-2005 03:12:10

Yeah, that's what I thought.
Just thought I would ask tho.

Pooh Bear

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