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Sam (Mo.)

03-29-2001 21:54:17




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I've only worked my "best" 8N about 25 hours since I put a new one-wire alternator on it. It has worked fine until now, the amp gauge shows a big charge for a few seconds after starting, then back near zero - and it keeps the battery charged. The past week I have worked the tractor pretty hard putting in a big new garden, and for several work sessions I have noticed a bit of "squealing" noise from the front which I thought was a slipping belt.

I didn't hear any "squealing" noise while working today, but my alternator is no longer charging! In fact the battery went dead and I had to jump it for two starts.

What should I look for when I try to fix this problem? My wires are all brand new and I think the connections are tight. The "squealing" sound may just be the belt and may be unrelated to the not charging, I don't know. Here's another thing - I have been disconnecting the battery cable from the positive pole when I park for the night. That's because there's a tiny power drain with everything turned off - I can see a little blue spark in the barn where it's dark. Could I have lost polarity by disconnecting it this way? My other 8N has the identical rig and it's charging fine. Thanks for any info. - Sam

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James Lee

03-31-2001 09:33:27




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 Re: Alternator not working in reply to Sam (Mo.), 03-29-2001 21:54:17  
Larry, you can get a knife switch that hooks to your battery pole and the other to the cable. That way you don't have to take the cable loose every time. Have one on mine and works great. JC Whitney has them.



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Larry 8N75381

03-30-2001 12:14:58




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 Re: Alternator not working in reply to Sam (Mo.), 03-29-2001 21:54:17  
Sam,

I wonder if the noise was coming from the brushes as they were "dying". I that is the case, since the noise is gone, probably the brushes are no more. Thus, because the rotor is not getting current, the stator will not generate voltage/current.

I've had to replace the brushes in my old Plymouth Valant several times. In the Chrysler alternators, the brushes wear to the point the springs cannot push them into the slip rings hard enough to make contact. I find out they have worn when the headlights are on and the ampmeter shows diacharge. Luckily they are easy to replace, don't even have to pull the alternator out of the car.

Hope you find the problem and it an easy fix.
Larry

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Kevin CO

03-30-2001 08:46:02




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 Re: Alternator not working in reply to Sam (Mo.), 03-29-2001 21:54:17  
I think the one word of advice is good. Switch the alternators. If it works with the other then you've found the problem.

Removing the belt, does the alternator spin freely?

I can't answer why, but I have often seen on these alternators that they stop working about the same time the bearings go.



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Bill in Houston

03-30-2001 06:00:35




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 Re: Alternator not working in reply to Sam (Mo.), 03-29-2001 21:54:17  
Hi Sam;

Just out of curiosity, how do you have the altenator mounted? Mine kept coming loose and it was driving me crazy, granted it has always been a short drive. Anyway, going through a wash, I noticed the axel came up and nudged the altenator and next thing I know, no charging.... I rehung the alt to have more clearance, but I need to figure out a way to incorporate a spring like with the generator. Good luck with your garden

Regards
Bill

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Sam (Mo.)

03-30-2001 08:18:14




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 Re: Re: Alternator not working in reply to Bill in Houston, 03-30-2001 06:00:35  
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Bill - I "Ozark Engineered" an alternator bracket by adding some homemade pieces to the generator bracket, photo attached. Not shown is a piece of strap steel that adjusts and wedges between the body of the alternator and that bolt at the front of the engine head, maintaining belt tension. This mounting rig works well for me, and I don't think it caused the problem.

I'm inclined to think the problem is a bad bearing in the alternator, because of that "squealing" noise. I don't know much about alternators, though. Would a bad bearing keep it from charging? How? Seems like it still goes round-and-round even with a bad bearing, so why wouldn't it still charge? Help me out, here, someone. Thanks!

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rad

09-03-2001 04:45:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Alternator not working in reply to Sam (Mo.), 03-30-2001 08:18:14  
Does anyone have this picture of the brackets for 8n alternator on post 51 tractors ??? I don't seem to be able to view it in it's current format.



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Claus

03-30-2001 08:41:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Alternator not working in reply to Sam (Mo.), 03-30-2001 08:18:14  
You are correct, the bearing has nothing to do with the alternator charging. Short out the little tab that is accessible through the little hole in the back of the alternator. If it now charges, then the voltage regulator or associated wiring is defective. You need to ensure that the wire going to pin nr. 1 has voltage on it when starting to excite the alternator.
Happy Motoring
Claus



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PETERC

03-30-2001 04:29:08




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 Re: Alternator not working in reply to Sam (Mo.), 03-29-2001 21:54:17  
the squealing could also be a bad bearing in the alternator, if it is discharging over night you should have the diodes in the alternator checked also.



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Mountainman

03-29-2001 22:34:09




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 Re: Alternator not working in reply to Sam (Mo.), 03-29-2001 21:54:17  
First I would see how loose the belt really is. Then I would remove the belt from the alternator and see if the alternator spins freely by hand.
A loose and slipping belt could easilly be the cause of your battery going dead, but it sounds like you may have other problems with the alternator as well. You say your other tractor is wired just like this one. Does it spark in the dark? You might try swapping alternators and see if it makes any difference.

Hope this helps.

Mountainman (CA)

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Sam (Mo.)

03-29-2001 22:00:02




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 Re: Alternator not working in reply to Sam (Mo.), 03-29-2001 21:54:17  
Forgot to mention it's a 12V conversion, of course, with an alternator. - Sam



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