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Repairing a 1 hole in cast alum dash

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9N'er

04-01-2001 08:54:07




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Here is an interesting answer to the questions I had about filling a 1" hole in a cast aluminum dash: it comes from Steve at U.S. Alloys:

The easiest thing of course would be to exchange it if that's possible. If not, I know of a couple of solutions. Don't know how much more money you want to put into it though. You can have someone with a plasma cutter and a circle attachment cut the hole perfectly round and take no more material out than necessary to make it
round. Have them cut a plug using the same equipment from another piece of like material. I'm guessing you have 4043. You can TIG the plug into place using filler rod and insuring that there are no 'low' spots. Take the weld deposit down until just above the finished surface and go to a fine stone or wheel. Make the final finish using a buffing or lapping compound so the transition zone of the weld and the parent metal will blend. If done carefully you will get a pretty good match. Finishing method is most important here. Another method would be to arc spray the entire surface after the hole is plugged and ground flat. The arc sprayed coating will cover the entire part and you can wire brush and polish until the desired finish is achieved. This will positively give a color match. I'd spray it at least .050" thick. I can recommend a couple of shops if you want.

Removing frozen bolts in the back of the dash with a propane torch is probably not best. You need to put lots of heat into the bolts quickly. The propane will cause the entire part to absorb heat and possibly warp the part. There is no danger of melting the aluminum with propane however. I recommend you try a penetrant called PB Blaster. We have it in our line as it's the best we can find by far. If you want to check our price the order desk is at 1-800-325-1568. Steve N. U.S. Alloys Company

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Al English

04-01-2001 11:54:06




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 Re: Repairing a 1 hole in cast alum dash in reply to 9N'er, 04-01-2001 08:54:07  
Hi 9N'er, As I remember you were wanting to polish & buff the repaired dash piece. In the work I do we are faced with this same problem from time to time. A weld repair will be visible when polished. The only question is to what degree. Sometimes repair/modifications are barely noticeable, while others will have a significant difference in metal color and/or degree of brilliance. The smoother and shinier the part is made, the more apparent any differences will be. The alloy of the part, the filler rod used, and the degree to which the heat of welding affects the alloy, are all variables. I can only suggest that you give it a try, and if it doesn't look good enough, you'll have a nice smooth part to sandblast then paint. Good luck...Al English

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9N'er

04-01-2001 13:21:38




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 Re: Re: Repairing a 1 hole in cast alum dash in reply to Al English, 04-01-2001 11:54:06  
Hi Al. I returned the dash. Considering the effort and additonal cost, it just put a defective dash out of reach for my means, and I located a similar dash in perfect condition through another source (for 25.00 less too).

I'm glad to get your note and I have some questions if you don't mind.

I printed your detailed answer to my inquiry on polishing the cast aluminum. I am very new to metalwork and I'm ignorant about materials and process. I studied the Eastwood catalog and located the materials you suggest (Tripoli Compound, 80 grit, 220, jewelers rouge and white paste etc). And I located buffing wheels. Here are the questions:

Do I need to purchase buffing wheels and mount them on a motor to buff and polish the dash? Can I use a flat block and do it by hand? and what would I apply the compound to if it can be done by hand with a flat block of some type? ...what material can be mounted on a flat block? Or, am I limited to buffing wheels as indicated in the catalog?

Will motor mounted wheels produce a level and flat finish?

I appreciate you steering me in the right direction... A polished dash on the 9N will look great, but I want it to appear flat without undulations and scratches etc.

Excuse my ingnorance, but as you suggested, this is a new adventure for me, and I appreciate the opportunity to learn in areas I haven't been exposed to in the past. Thanks in advance. 9N'er

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Al English

04-01-2001 18:53:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Repairing a 1 hole in cast alum dash in reply to 9N'er, 04-01-2001 13:21:38  
Hi 9N’er, Do you need buffing wheels? The practical answer is yes. After metal finishing your parts they could be hand buffed using compound on rags, but it would take a LONG time. I hope for your sake you’re not that desperate for something to do. The key to making the dash "flat without undulations and scratches" is in the prep work. Just like painting, the quality of the prep work is evident in the finished job. If you want the dash optically flat, block sand it by hand. An expert can sometimes remove an irregularity with a buffing wheel, but the rule is that buffing wheels cannot make a lumpy part flat, but as John pointed out, they can make a flat part lumpy. Getting the surface to a 220 grit or finer finish will minimize the amount of buffing required, and the chance for the buff to make things uneven. Take it easy around the openings, as the buff will want to cause imperfections as it drops off the edges. And speaking of edges, the rotation of the buff should always trail off of an edge, never the other way around. The reason this is important is that anytime the buff "catches an edge" it will do its best to grab the part from your hand and send it flying. If you’re going to use a small buffing motor stick with 4" to 6" diameter buffs and 3450 RPM's’. With a 3450 motor and 8" or larger diameter buffs the surface speed is getting pretty high, so more power and a slower motor or some speed reduction is needed. If you opt for the small motor/small buffs option you may want to get one of those cheap belt drive grinding/buffing arbors. Reason being, it will give you better access to the buff than is available when a small buff is mounted on the short shaft of a relatively large diameter motor. Hope I answered your questions. If there is anything else I can help you with let me know. Good luck…Al English

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9N'er

04-02-2001 03:20:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Repairing a 1 hole in cast alum dash in reply to Al English, 04-01-2001 18:53:12  
10-4. I suspected I would need wheels, and in reality, they will come in handy for other parts too...good things to have I guess (and I never have enough tools btw).

one last question (for now):

What do you recommend for block sanding by hand? wet/dry paper...and block sand it wet?

or, place a compound material on the paper too (80 grit, upto 220?) and block sand with paper and compound?

I know, these are neophyte questions...but, I'm in a steep process of learning, and at the beginning of the learning curve for most things regarding this. thanks Al for your help. 9N'er

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Al English

04-02-2001 05:12:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Repairing a 1 hole in cast alum dash in reply to 9N'er, 04-02-2001 03:20:10  
Hi 9N'er, Once you have a buffing wheel you'll find all kinds of things to use it on. If you have a choice get a spiral sewn buff, as it is more suited to the type of job we're talking about. Wet-or-dry sandpaper has silicon carbide grit, which cuts and holds up well. If you run across paper with aluminum oxide grit it will also get the job bone just fine. This is VERY important. To avoid particles of grit being embedded in the metals surface and causing problems during the buffing process you must use grease or wax on the sandpaper. There are special products made for this purpose, possibly Eastwood, and most definitely an abrasives supplier, can supply this product. It is not expensive. Depending on the roughness of the part, you should start with 80 to 120 grit and work finer. Each new step must completely remove the coarser scratches made by the previous grit. Tripoli compound will remove the 220 grit scratches, and the white compound removes the Tripoli scratches. None of these steps can be done out of sequence or combined, so there is no benefit to using compound on the sandpaper...Al English

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John in NH

04-01-2001 16:21:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Repairing a 1 hole in cast alum dash in reply to 9N'er, 04-01-2001 13:21:38  
Hi 9N'er, if I may offer my 2 cents. I manufacture musical instruments,they have to be polished, and you need wheels mounted to a motor to get the finish you want. The speed of the motor is important, 3450 rpms. Yes you can get waves in the metal if you hold the wheel in one place too long. you have to keep it moving. It can be done if you have the right wheels and compounds for the type of metal you want to polish. John

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9N'er

04-02-2001 03:14:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Repairing a 1 hole in cast alum dash in reply to John in NH, 04-01-2001 16:21:27  
I appreciate the note John! thanks. 9N'er



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