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6N's Short

05-26-2005 15:03:17




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Hey Paul in IL and others who talked to me earlier this week....

I got out there with my voltage meter today and stuck the battery back on the tractor. Battery is charged and has been load tested. 6v, +ground system. I tested the voltage on the battery to make sure I had the configuration right on the meter and got a bounding 6V. Tested the battery side of the starter switch...same. Disconnected the starter. Tested the starter side of switch with button depressed....same 6V. Cleaned and reconnected starter wire to starter depressed switch and tested voltage at starter...same 6V. Starter is completely silent all through this.
Absolutely no reaction. I am in need of as many suggestions as I can get.

Now I know that it is possible that the power is going to the starter but that the ground is bad, but nothing has been done to interfere with the ground for the starter which I am going to assume is grounded thru it's mating surface to the block.
I'm not sure WHY the ground would suddenly go bad if that is the case, but...like I said...I am open to any and all suggestions.

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souNdguy

05-26-2005 21:28:23




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 Re: 2N not turning over in reply to 6N's Short, 05-26-2005 15:03:17  
If you get 6v on the starter post with the button pushed.. the starter sounds 'open'.. or has a bad contact. Hold that button down and whack the side of the starter with a big wrench or hammer. If that doesn't work.. use jumper cables to ground and power it.. In the end... I think you will be pulling it.

Soundguy



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Paul K in IL

05-26-2005 17:43:22




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 Re: 2N not turning over in reply to 6N's Short, 05-26-2005 15:03:17  
6N Short,

I doubt very seriously that the grounding through the mating surfaces can be that bad that the starter won't do anything. I the grounding was bad you should be able to read that same 6 volts on the outside case of the starter with the starter button pushed down. Since starters are series wound motors I would think there is a much higher probability that the starter has an open circuit in it. As Jeb suggested I would oull the starter and take it back to the shop that rebuilt it and ask them to try again. It is pretty easy to not get a brush down on the armature properly and that would cause what you are seeing.

Good luck and let us know how you come out.

Paul K.

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6N's Short

05-26-2005 19:13:18




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 Re: 2N not turning over in reply to Paul K in IL, 05-26-2005 17:43:22  
Paul, first I need to clarify that the starter has never been removed from the tractor or rebuilt to the best of my knowledge.

The tractor was running fine. I rebuilt the carburetor and was in the process of doing the adjustments. I was able to get a nice idle and had started to do the main needle adjustment when the tractor began to smoke badly and, from all appearances, was burning oil. There was no indication that the tractor was in immediate danger of seizing but now I am worried that she may be stuck. I guess I could disconnect the battery and try turning it by hand? See if it will move? I have read some posts that seem to indicate that the starter is difficult to reinstall once removed. Is this the case? Now you can just call me "worried".

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Paul K in IL

05-26-2005 23:29:02




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 Re: 2N not turning over in reply to 6N's Short, 05-26-2005 19:13:18  
Sorry about that I thought you had just had the starter rebuilt. Senior moment.

The problem with removing the starter is the bolts that hold the starter to the engine also hold the starter togather. One way to remove the starter without it falling apart is to back off both bolts about a half inch then wiggle it until the starter comes free of the engine. Now pry with a common screwdriver gently between the end cap of the starter and the engine until both the front and the back cap of the starter are seated against the starter housing. You should now have a half inch gap between the engine and the starter. Now remove the outside bolt and find a nut that will go on the threads of that bolt. I think they are 5/16 NS threads. After you have the nut put the bolt back through the starter until the end of the bolt is flush with the end of the starter. Insert the nut on the end of the bolt and turn the bolt in until the nut is finger tight against the starter. Now this nut will hold the starter togather while you remove both bolts. Remove the inside bolt now. Make sure when you remove the outside bolt you turn the nut along with the bolt so it keeps the starter covers in place.

Good luck.

Paul K.

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Bernie in MA

05-26-2005 17:26:45




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 Re: 2N not turning over in reply to 6N's Short, 05-26-2005 15:03:17  
Are you sure the engine will crank over? Try towing it. I thought I had bad connections because the starter only clicked. Turned out the starter gear was locked into the ring gear. Loosen the starter to free it, make sure the whole thing moves (not just the body around the armature). Would be a good idea to matchmark it first for lining it up to rebolt.



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6N's Short

05-26-2005 19:06:44




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 Re: 2N not turning over in reply to Bernie in MA, 05-26-2005 17:26:45  
Now you got me worried. Last time I ran the tractor it was not running real smooth and was smoking to beat the band. Were you suggesting maybe she seized on me? I turned it off, it did not stop on it's own.



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Dell (WA)

05-26-2005 22:23:37




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 Re: 2N not turning over in reply to 6N's Short, 05-26-2005 19:06:44  
Shorty..... ....not runnin' smooth and smokin'? why does that make me think yer stater motor bendix didn't diss-engage and you have "cooked" yer starter motor and let all the smoke out.

Proven fact; ALL electrical stuff runs on SMOKE!!! Ennytime you let the smoke out, it quits working. (think about it)..... ...Dell



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Rob

05-26-2005 15:55:08




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 Re: 2N not turning over in reply to 6N's Short, 05-26-2005 15:03:17  
You got a good battery and you can come up with some jump cables. You have neg 6 volts to the starter post so only jump the ground. Jump from the batt pos post to the starter case and push the start button. If it cranks then you know the mating surface is not a good ground. Confirm by moving the jump cable to the other side of the mating surface and try again.
If it never cranks then use the other cable and jump right to the starter post from the batt neg post while you do the ground thing also.
Take the starter off, put one foot on it and connect the jump cables. You can test that starter right there a couple ways if you have your jump cables.

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6N's Short

05-26-2005 19:05:04




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 Re: 2N not turning over in reply to Rob, 05-26-2005 15:55:08  
Rob, I'll give that a try over the weekend and let you know how it flies.



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Jeb2N

05-26-2005 15:28:33




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 Re: 2N not turning over in reply to 6N's Short, 05-26-2005 15:03:17  
As before, the obvious reason for what you describe would be a bad mating surface. Are both the flywheel housing and the starter housing shiney? Shiney all the way around? Paint can also act as a spacer or a shim to keep good metal surfaces from touching each other. The only other explanation I can think of is if the lug on the starter that the cable connects to has lost it's connection inside the starter housing (busted wire). Did you say the starter had been rebuilt? It certainly won't hurt to take it back and have them verify that it is still good. Won't cost you a thing. I did that very thing with my starter.

Jeb.

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