Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo Auction Link (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Ford 9N, 2N & 8N Discussion Forum
:

Stabilizer bars and blading

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
Staffmope

06-01-2005 06:56:16




Report to Moderator

Hooked up my blade and got some seat time in moving gravel around on my road. Don't know if I helped the road or not, but got time in. Put the stabilizer bars I got from the good folks who run this site and could only get 1 to fit. The holes in them are the same centers, but the second bar seemed about a hole and a half too far apart to fit. No amount of pushing, pulling, lifting or talking about its Momma would get the second one to go on. I reversed them, switched them, used them on opposite sides, etc, but could ever only get one to go on. Given that with the blading in giving myself On-the Job training, the lack of the second stabilzer didn't hinder my effectiveness on the road very much, but when I start with the Bushhog, I think I'd like them both on? Any help with the stabilzer bar problem and/or tips on blading a gravel road will be greatly appreciated.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Bill Stanley

06-02-2005 03:06:42




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
I can verify that there are at least two different length stabilizer bars. The wrong length bar can be installed on the tractor but everything will be in a tremendous bind at certain lift positions. The tractor can be used but something will eventually break. Took me two and a half stabilizer sets and a week of experimentation to discover and fix. I’m slow.

Bill



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
souNdguy

06-01-2005 11:47:06




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
I've got a couple TSC sets, and one old set.. all seem to work fine.. however.. i hear that there are some repop lower lift arms that may not be 100% correct size.. are both your lift arms same size?

good luck

Soundguy



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Staffmope

06-01-2005 11:00:20




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
Glad to hear others have run into this problem, in fact, two other 8Ns and a Ferguson down where mine is have the same thing going on. Thanks for all the discussion. I'll try loosening the brackets next time I get down to God's Country (350 miles south of Chicago!) first. As far as blading goes...is there an optimum angle off vertical for the blade? Straight up and down? Leaning forward? Back? Is it better to blade the road going uphill or downhill? Use the float control or ride the height manually? Like many things, it looks so easy, but...

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Terry Il

06-01-2005 18:30:21




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 11:00:20  
Staff , you sound like you would be in my backyard at 350 miles south of Chicago. Where is your place located?



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Michael SWOK

06-01-2005 10:50:27




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
Not exactly sure what kind of setup some of you guys have on your tractors.

After hooking the implement to the 3pt lift arms, I simply put one end of the stabilizer bar onto the pin on the stabilizer bracket under the fender and put the other end onto the 3pt pin on the implement, then put the linch pins in. Sometimes I have to put one end on first, other times the other end first. I have to push and pull sometimes, depending on what I'm hooking to and how straight I backed up. I may have to pull the brush hog forward a little to get it to work, but the attachments on the mower have gotten banged up a little and aren't as straight as they used to be. The same thing happens with the 3pt dirt scoop because the 3pt pins don't precisely lined up like they should (1/8"-1/4" off), probably from getting banged around before I got it.

You should be able to put your 11 hole drawbar on the lift arms and slip the ends of the stabilizer bars over the drawbar ends. I have 3 sets of stabilizer bars and they all fit pretty much the same. The older bars are straight and the newer ones have a slight offset to each end. Some of the implements fit a little tighter on the different bars, but they still fit. Sometimes I may have to nudge them a little with a hammer, but they still fit.

I try to use them whenever possible with the brush hog or back blade. They keep the mower straight behind the tractor when mowing the bar ditches and on slight slopes. I also use them when digging with the 3pt scoop because I lose less dirt/gravel from the side-to-side shaking with the stabilizer bars in place.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bill Bl

06-01-2005 10:17:21




Report to Moderator
 Re: I sold my tractor so stabilizer bars now fit in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
I bought the same pair of stabilizer bars too. Instead of drilling them to fit or installing one I just sold my tractor, took my bars to the tractor dealer and told him to find a tractor that would fit the bars. It worked. They now fit. Try it.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Bill Bl

06-01-2005 10:16:14




Report to Moderator
 Re: I sold my tractor so stabilizer bars now fit in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
I bought the same pair of stabilizer bars too. Instead of drilling them I toi fit or installing one I just sold my tractor, took my bars to the tractor dealer and told him to find a tractor that would fit the bars. It worked. They now fit. Try it.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Lytemup

06-01-2005 09:14:35




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading PICTURE Anyone?? in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
I've been reading the archives on stabilizer bars cuz I need a pair myself. What I haven't figured out is exactly where they are supposed to hook to the tractor. I seem to find different descriptions in the archives, and the sales sign at TSC didn't help me much. Does someone have a pic to post of exactly what these look like and how they hook up (NAA)?



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rob

06-01-2005 10:26:58




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading PICTURE Anyone?? in reply to Lytemup, 06-01-2005 09:14:35  
third party image

The adjustable bars in this diagram may not look just like what you will buy but the brackets and attachment are clearly shown and labeled, along with the bars.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Lytemup

06-01-2005 11:02:09




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading PICTURE Anyone?? in reply to Rob, 06-01-2005 10:26:58  
Thanks very much Rob. What exactly are the "stay straps" for?



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rob

06-01-2005 11:08:56




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading PICTURE Anyone?? in reply to Lytemup, 06-01-2005 11:02:09  
They set the 11-hole drawbar height.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Lytemup

06-01-2005 15:47:34




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading PICTURE Anyone?? in reply to Rob, 06-01-2005 11:08:56  
why isn't the height controlled with just the lift arms..?



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rob

06-01-2005 16:27:04




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading PICTURE Anyone?? in reply to Lytemup, 06-01-2005 15:47:34  
A trailer tongue attached to the drawbar will act to lift the lift arms especially when you put a load on the back of the trailer. You need something to hold the lift arms down. That"s for starters.
What you have to do is put those straps on there and disengage the PTO when you are using the 11-hole drawbar.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Michael SWOK

06-01-2005 17:40:26




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading PICTURE Anyone?? in reply to Rob, 06-01-2005 16:27:04  
The original drawbar stay arms came with a chain and clip that attached to the 3pt lift lever. The clip prevents the lever from being raised and bending your stay arms.

Some pull type equipment used the pto, things like manure spreaders, fertilizer spreaders, or even some pull type mowers.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
OH Boy

06-01-2005 08:04:57




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
For blading your driveway you really only need one stabilizer bar, its plenty to keep your blade from moving side to side.

Like you, I could never get 2 of those red bar stabilizer bars to fit when I was bush hogging or blading etc. Like the other guy said, it has to do with the geometry of the set up. I think the various implements vary in width too which further screws up the equation.

I finally bought a couple of adjustable links (they adjust just like your top link) at TSC
and they have been way more useful, allows you to get both of them on, and you can also adjust the position of the implement from side to side some too. I needed to use two of them with my finish mower and this was the only way I could figure out how to do so.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Dan kelly

06-01-2005 08:00:14




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
Staffmope, I have had the same problem with my stablizer bars I thought about redrilling the hole
on one of the bars, I bought a Zane Thang And got it yesturday. when I took it out to look at it with at the tractor is the first time i saw that I have two different lift arms. they look the same length but the one on my right is thicker steel and has two cast holes though the arm.
I thought maybe this might have been my problem
with the stabilizers. I can see its going to give me some trouble getting the Zane Thing on. I think
I will try "the loosen the fender bracket trick" to get the bars on.
Good luck
Dan

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
don b

06-01-2005 07:26:54




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
When adding the stablizer bars..... one should FIRST loosen the bolts that hold the fenders and stablizer brackets.The brackets are supposed to be slotted.SECOND... attach the bars to the brackets and to the implement or eleven hole drawbar.You can then tighten the fender bolts.Should be good to go thereafter. don b



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rob

06-01-2005 08:44:08




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to don b, 06-01-2005 07:26:54  
You da MAN!



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Larry 8N75381

06-01-2005 07:25:03




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
I hardly ever use my stabilizer bars, for anything, blading, scooping, and mowing. I just did not find that they helped that much for what I did.

That said, let me see if I can help. You have some kind of problem with the geometry between the lift arms, the stabilizer bars and the attachment points for both. So lets review what is SUPPOSED to be the correct geometry.

First the lift arm, stabilizer bar and tractor (axle and differential housing) form a triangle, the most sable of “pinned” structures, which is how the “members” of this triangle are joined. For the end points of the “triangles” to move up and down together WITHOUT moving nearer or farther apart, the “base” of each triangle MUST be on the same line. That is the pins for the lift arms must be in line - which they will be because that is the way the differential is machined - together with the pins on the brackets that the stabilizer bars attach to. Thus the bracket pins are where you can get out of align. So you need to check that first.

Attach the bars to the bracket pins. Then put a pin thru the lift arm end and the end of the stabilizer bar. The pin needs to fit snug - I’d find a pair of bolts to do this. Now with the lift arms down measure the distance between the ends. then measure with the arms full up. The distance SHOULD be the same. If not then you need to adjust the bracket pins.

Once you have the ends of the lift arms moving up and down without changing distance, take that distance and check to see if that is the same as the distance between the lift pins on your implement. If the measurements are not close - 1/2 inch or less - then the stabilizer bars have the holes too close or far apart. Your call as to how to fix that problem.

I have the ability to weld up the holes and redrill them where they should be. BUT that is not a job I would like to do. Could be very hard to get right.

Regards,
Larry

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Steve (Magnolia, TX)

06-01-2005 07:23:47




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
SOMETIMES the bracket bolted up under the fender (on the lower side of the rear axle) will have multiple holes for the pin that your stabilizer arm fits in to. If that's the case.... find you different hole on that one side...


HTH
Steve



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Steve(OR)

06-01-2005 08:48:00




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Steve (Magnolia, TX), 06-01-2005 07:23:47  
Steve - You really don"t have a choice from amongst the various holes. You should ONLY use the one that lines up with the lower lift pins. Otherwise the stabilizer bar will cause the 3pt to bind when it is moved.

Staffmope - Your stabilizer bars are probably correct. I suspect the problem might be with the blade. The lower pins may be too narrow. I have a boom pole that has the same problem because the lower pins are 24 inches wide rather that the standard 26 inches wide. Check your blade. Maybe the pins are mounted inward rather that outward which would cause them to be too narrow.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Steve (Magnolia, TX)

06-01-2005 11:57:24




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Steve(OR), 06-01-2005 08:48:00  
I agree... Wholeheartedly.

However... There's no guarantee that his stabilizer pin is in the correct hole, to begin with...

;-)

Steve



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Steve(OR)

06-01-2005 13:56:21




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Steve (Magnolia, TX), 06-01-2005 11:57:24  
Other than he had no complaints about binding or lift not operating.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rob

06-01-2005 07:15:23




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
Did you use your leveling box? Connect the left arm, then the top link, and then the right arm using the leveling box to make it fit.
Is there a repair weld on one lift arm? They may have got it wrong. Measure the lift arms for some difference.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Staffmope

06-02-2005 07:25:53




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Rob, 06-01-2005 07:15:23  
I did use the leveling box; the lift arms have no welds or repairs; the stabilzer bars are the same length and the holes on the same centers; there are two holes in the brackets under the rear axle and both pins are in the same (forward) hole and the other hole is about 4" further aft, way too far to make up the 1" to 1 1/4" I need to get the second bar on.
The info about the brackets holding the pins being slotted is new to me, so I'll try that next time I get down to The Compound (my place in S. Illinois).
Thanks for all the help!

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Staffmope

06-02-2005 07:25:45




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Rob, 06-01-2005 07:15:23  
I did use the leveling box; the lift arms have no welds or repairs; the stabilzer bars are the same length and the holes on the same centers; there are two holes in the brackets under the rear axle and both pins are in the same (forward) hole and the other hole is about 4" further aft, way too far to make up the 1" to 1 1/4" I need to get the second bar on.
The info about the brackets holding the pins being slotted is new to me, so I'll try that next time I get down to The Compound (my place in S. Illinois).
Thanks for all the help!

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Jerry (AL)

06-01-2005 07:11:17




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Staffmope, 06-01-2005 06:56:16  
Probably really don't need the second one. I've noticed that sometimes you can raise the load all the way up and it will then go on. Might have to rock the load a little side to side to work it on. Some of those bars seem to be cut a little long to me.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Terry Il

06-01-2005 09:17:50




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Jerry (AL), 06-01-2005 07:11:17  
I had the same problem when I purchased my bars. It seems that the dealer sold me one bar that was just a little longer the other one. One was made for Fords made before a certain date and the longer one was made for those after a certain date (newer model tractors) I took the bar back and he replaced it with the correct bar. Hope this helps.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
steveormary

06-01-2005 10:44:57




Report to Moderator
 Re: Stabilizer bars and blading in reply to Terry Il, 06-01-2005 09:17:50  
We could use the same stableizer bars on the Ford 800 and the newer Ford 3cyl.2000 as we used on the TE-20 Ferguson.

I believe the brackets that bolt under the axle
have to have the pins toward the front of the tractor. One stabilizer bar is not too hard to put on. Getting the implement lined up for two bars is a little trickier.

steveormary



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy