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No such serial # ?

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Tug

06-06-2005 19:51:54




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I can't find my N serial # in any books or on the net, mine seems to have some letters with the #s, any ideas?

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Tug




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Barnstormer

06-07-2005 10:04:42




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Tug, 06-06-2005 19:51:54  
I'm not looking to start or settle any arguments about the reasons for letters used as numbers. HOWEVER, I have spent the better part of 36 years working in assembly, manufacturing and engineering at Ford and GM. It is not uncommon for the tool crib to not have the needed tools for a specific job and substitutes were found. Believe me, back then (at some places even now)the cardinal rule was/is, "THOU SHALT NOT STOP THE ASSEMBLY LINE!"
Additionally, reading the many posts on this great site about the ingenious and/or sometimes rather crude ways repairs are performed on our beasts, it just reinforces the thought that necessity (or depth of the owner's pockets) is the mother of invention.

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Dell (WA)

06-07-2005 00:17:42




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Tug, 06-06-2005 19:51:54  
Tug..... ..we don't know why the weakly handstamped engine serial number guy used some alphabet numbers like lower case letter "b" for numeric "6"; nor why he used upper case letter "B" for numeric "8"; nor why he used upper case letter "I" for numeric "1"; nor used upsidedown upper case letter "L" for numeric "7"; but he did so just gitt used to it, we did and don't make an "issue" outta it. I personally think we're lucky to even have a list of serial numbers.

Remember, all 8N engine s/n start 8N; and all 2N engine s/n start 9N. And remember 8N engines fit 9N's so all the engine s/n really tells you is ....are you ready for this?.... the year the engine was built. And surprizingly enuff, there are very few engine s/n specific changes and when they did change; it is NOT some microscopic change but readily and intuitively obvious like the change from the 4-nipple frontmount distributor to the 5-nipple sidemount distributor. Or the proofmeter drive cable from the back of the governor cup. Simple, eh?..... ..respectfully, Dell

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Dan

06-07-2005 06:47:10




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Dell (WA), 06-07-2005 00:17:42  
Here is a post by Tim Daley - a very knowlegable N Series guy, regarding what he discovered on the alpha-numeric stamping Ford did on their old tractors:

In the current issue of Ford Tool Times published by the National Ford Tool Collector's, May 2005, on page 6 is an ad for Ford Service Bulletin, February 1931 showing the changes to the hand stamps used to stamp serial numbers on blocks. The changes are for the numbers 1, 6, and 9 which show new ones as letter I (for 1); a sort of lower case letter b for number 6, and an inverted lower case letter b for the number 9. The bulletin states this was done to lessen the chance of outside individuals attampting to change engine serial numbers and that some states enacted laws requiring special markings for rebuilt or exchanged engine blocks. The set came with 11 pieces including the STAR figure. We all know the difficulty trying to read the serial numbers on our N's as some were so lightly stamped. I will try to scan and post a picture.

Tim

Makes sense - I don't think Ford would have put letters in the serial numbers without a good reason...

Dan

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Dan

06-07-2005 06:48:42




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 Say - did I just teach Dell something??? in reply to Dan, 06-07-2005 06:47:10  
Whoo hoo

:)

Dan



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Sorry, that is wrong.....

06-07-2005 03:40:00




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Dell (WA), 06-07-2005 00:17:42  
I have been now told that Ford used the B for the 9 and the I for the 1 to help keep rebuilders from copying factory serial #'s, I think this to be true.

Tug



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souNdguy

06-07-2005 05:30:12




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Sorry, that is wrong....., 06-07-2005 03:40:00  
Wrong? Dell mentioned that we don't 'know' why they did it..... If we don't know.. we simply don't know.. it's not -wrong-.. it's a plain and simple fact...

Since you are obviously in the know.. why not post your 100% verifiable and indesputable evidence...?

Soundguy



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Gee.....Calm down

06-07-2005 14:30:54




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to souNdguy, 06-07-2005 05:30:12  
Sorry if you think I was basting your boy friend Dell, lighten up.

And this is what I found on another N tractor forum, you guys can copy and paste this info and call it your own, you guys are good at that !

In the current issue of Ford Tool Times published by the National Ford Tool Collector's, May 2005, on page 6 is an ad for Ford Service Bulletin, February 1931 showing the changes to the hand stamps used to stamp serial numbers on blocks. The changes are for the numbers 1, 6, and 9 which show new ones as letter I (for 1); a sort of lower case letter b for number 6, and an inverted lower case letter b for the number 9. The bulletin states this was done to lessen the chance of outside individuals attampting to change engine serial numbers and that some states enacted laws requiring special markings for rebuilt or exchanged engine blocks. The set came with 11 pieces including the STAR figure. We all know the difficulty trying to read the serial numbers on our N's as some were so lightly stamped.

And now you know

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souNdguy

06-08-2005 05:35:07




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Gee.....Calm down, 06-07-2005 14:30:54  
The first comment was uncalled for.. If it were my list.. you'd be banned for that kind of talk on a familly board.

As for the other info.. the lower case , inverted b, for a 9 makes sense. i was thinking a capital B for some reason.

Soundguy



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er....Jack

06-08-2005 14:48:33




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to souNdguy, 06-08-2005 05:35:07  
Easy sounder. Remember what people say, we need to be thick skinned on this board.

respectfully, Jack



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souNdguy

06-08-2005 14:56:50




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to er....Jack, 06-08-2005 14:48:33  
It was just my opinion... It's not like we ever see a mod in here unless the flames get real high.

Besides. If my skin is thick enough to put up with the b-f- post.. his should be thinck enough with my opinion of his post.

Besides.. I'd guess it was more or less calmed down anyway... The threads so far back it's not likely to get much public attention anymore.

Soundguy



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Gee.....Calm down

06-08-2005 14:46:53




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to souNdguy, 06-08-2005 05:35:07  
Now hold on here, Is Dell your friend?????....YES Is Dell a Boy/man ????..... ...YES

So..... .....He would be your friend who is a boy correct?, Gee'z

Point to all of this is: Mr. Dell or anyone else who has 4 degrees in rudness should be able to stick up for him/herself without guys/girls like you butting in "CORRECRT"? UNDERSTAND????



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souNdguy

06-08-2005 15:02:27




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Gee.....Calm down, 06-08-2005 14:46:53  
We.. (speaking collectively of the board participants) wouldn't be good friends if we didn't stick up for each other.

If I came home one day to see my neighbor being attacked by a 'stranger' I'd be over the fence pretty darn fast.. no different here.

Besides.. Dell's vocal/typing style kinda grows on ya after a while. To those that know him.. .. we consider him more 'gruff' than rude. Besides.. we are all human anyway, and either way he as are many others here, are storehouses of good, free knowledge.

Soundguy

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Gee.....Calm down

06-08-2005 18:32:42




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to souNdguy, 06-08-2005 15:02:27  
You got'a get a life !!



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souNdguy

06-09-2005 05:33:13




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Gee.....Calm down, 06-08-2005 18:32:42  
Seems to me that you are the one who isn't man enough to post an email address or a name...

Easy to make offensive posts while hiding behind a shield of anonmity...

Soundguy



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Gee.....Calm down

06-09-2005 18:27:49




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to souNdguy, 06-09-2005 05:33:13  
And it seems you JUST Have to get the last word !

Go buy Dell some flowers



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souNdguy

06-09-2005 21:30:36




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Gee.....Calm down, 06-09-2005 18:27:49  
And still you show your lack of intestinal fortitude with no name or email address..

Soundguy



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Gee.....Calm down

06-10-2005 03:33:36




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to souNdguy, 06-09-2005 21:30:36  
See?, Last word !
Control freak.



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souNdguy

06-10-2005 21:03:33




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Gee.....Calm down, 06-10-2005 03:33:36  
Control freak? That's a stretch.. I'm merely trying to get you to post your name and email address. At least if we are going to argue.. you might as well be man enough to do that.. instead of hiding behind an anonymous post..

Soundguy



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souNdguy

06-07-2005 05:25:33




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Sorry, that is wrong....., 06-07-2005 03:40:00  
using a 'B' for a '9' seems awefully complicated.. a B for an 8 would be much more believable...

In any event.. you didn't even post your number...? did you really have a question.. or are you just here fishing?

Soundguy



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Walter Reed

06-07-2005 05:08:33




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 Blasphemer! in reply to Sorry, that is wrong....., 06-07-2005 03:40:00  
You have just told the Almighty that he is wrong. Lightning will certainly smite you.

After all, he has 4 degrees and 40 years of experience. Just ask him.



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Dell (WA)

06-07-2005 07:41:06




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 Re: Blasphemer! in reply to Walter Reed, 06-07-2005 05:08:33  
Walter..... ...what part of "we don't know why" don't you understand?..... ...respectfully, Dell, who admits when he is wrong and I'm NOT wrong this time



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Rust

06-07-2005 18:51:09




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 Go Dell... in reply to Dell (WA), 06-07-2005 07:41:06  
I am one of many who lurk this board looking for answers to problems, helpful suggestions etc. to keep our machines going. Walter, if you spend much time learning about your machine you will get alot from guys like dell, zane and a host of others who have forgotten much more than we"ll ever know about these tractors, so lighten up a little, Go Dell...



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jwm

06-07-2005 17:51:16




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 Re: Blasphemer! in reply to Dell (WA), 06-07-2005 07:41:06  
Dell, Walter wasn't talking about not understanding "We don't know". He was just trying to hassle "God All Mighty", and you assumed he was stepping on your toes. That says volumes. James---Also with 4 degrees, divorced, laid off, and a real sparkie meister. What is a sparkie anyway. I can't find it in the dictionary. I can't read minds either. We have a lot in common. Bless our souls.



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Dell (WA)

06-07-2005 18:26:15




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 hear . . . hear in reply to jwm, 06-07-2005 17:51:16  
Jim..... ..glad to make yer sparkelin' aquaintance..... Dell



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Uh....Jack

06-07-2005 15:08:06




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 Re: Blasphemer! in reply to Dell (WA), 06-07-2005 07:41:06  
Why do you put yourself so high on a pedistal? You can admit that you're wrong now and then. Even the smart can admit they have a lack of knowledge on a subject.

No one is suppose to know everything.....respectfully, Jack



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Your # is so hard to find

06-06-2005 20:52:24




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 Re: No such serial # ? in reply to Tug, 06-06-2005 19:51:54  
that we didn't even see it here! Try posting it for help.



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