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3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or lowe

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Pat in FC

06-09-2005 10:19:46




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Ok all I have to admit I am a total newbe to 9n's and ford tractors. I recently got a 9n from my father inlaws farm to do work on our property.

I can not for the life of me, get the 3 point lift to work. I know it works because when the tractor was brought to my house (a week ago) they raised and lowered the bush hog to get it off the tractor.

I have checked the hyrdralic fluid (by your right foot when your on the tractor) and it appears to be fine. Also the front loader seems to be working fine.

Please help out a city kid that doesn't have a clue.

Thanks

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Dan kelly

06-09-2005 15:44:54




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Pat in FC, 06-09-2005 10:19:46  
i bought my first 2n three years ago been hogg'n
with it for 2 years now. no ORC yet I plan on getting one just hav'nt yet. I also have NO brakes. I have avoided the barn, fence and the wife car. I KNOW its not the safest way. but I do it. Driving down the highway at 70 mph is not safe. Standing on a kitchen chair to change a light bulb is not safe. Cults point is it can be done without killing your self or anyone else.

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Buss

06-09-2005 13:25:13




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Pat in FC, 06-09-2005 10:19:46  
Pat,
After you get your 3pt. engaged and start mowing, please stay at least 15ft. from anything and practice disengaging the clutch. Also, the safest place is on the seat. Keep children and wife far away as things come out from under ther like bullets.
With all the talk about the ORC, let us know what you decide.



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RobertD

06-09-2005 12:59:10




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Pat in FC, 06-09-2005 10:19:46  
The PTO engaging lever is on the left side just behind your left leg. Only move it into gear when you are in neutral with the clutch down or with the engine off entirely. When the PTO is engaged, the hydro pump starts working and that allows the lever on the right easily reached by your right hand to move the lift arms up or down. Also, when engaged, the PTO at the rear of the tractor will start spinning. Stay away from that thing when it is spinning! Also note that when the clutch is down, the hydro pump and PTO are disengaged. If you have a load raised on the lift and also IF your hydro system is in good shape, the load will stay lifted even when the PTO is not engaged. If you disengage by pushing the clutch down and the load drops, you have some repairs to the hydro system that will be needed. A hydro system in good shape will keep a really heavy load up in the air for 24 hours or more.

Robert

P.S. Get the ORC regardless of what others might say. Safety first.

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souNdguy

06-09-2005 11:02:01




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Pat in FC, 06-09-2005 10:19:46  
Check 2 things.. first.. the pto must be engaged for the 3pt to work. Next.. does your loader have a front pump, if so.. it is a seperate hyd system from your 3pt...or is it plumbed off the corner test port on the bottom rard right side of the tractor. On some units, they chain the lift arms down to make the loader work.. on other units there is a diverter valve built into a hollow stud with a little pull lever on the top cover to divert flow from the 3pt to the loader.

Soundguy

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Bob in NC

06-09-2005 10:42:41




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Pat in FC, 06-09-2005 10:19:46  
Be sure that you DISCONNECT the hog's driveshaft from the PTO while you are messin with trying to get it to raise and lower properly. Those blades will eat you up. Is there an overrunning coupler (ORC) on the tractor PTO shaft? If not, you need to get one before you cut with it. Somewhere on this site there is an article with tips on setting up and using a bush hog. If you're not familiar with these things I strongly suggest reading that before you do anything else!

bob

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Bob in NC

06-09-2005 12:20:32




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Bob in NC, 06-09-2005 10:42:41  
If you plan your stops far enough in advance and cut in a nice open area where there no hidden obstacles, then I suppose you don't need brakes either. You may not need or want an ORC yourself, and that's fine with me. I was making the suggestion to this poster, who is obviously taking a hog out for the first time and who, in my opinion, NEEDS an ORC. If I'm being too soft then that's fine with me too.

bob

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cargocult yet again

06-09-2005 12:42:54




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Bob in NC, 06-09-2005 12:20:32  
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I don't wanna get into a flame war, but you are wrong about Needing an ORC! He is a newbie, I agree, and some say he should Not be Operating The Tractor in the first place. However, if he does, he should not be forced to score an ORC! He may already have one. I do. I agree it makes it easier to use the hog. However, It IS NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE AN ORC TO USE A BUSH-HOG! My whole point is that you are giving false info to a newbie! I reiterate..IT IS NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE AN ORC!! Many folks here on this board have mowed many years without them! Like I said, I don't wanna get into a flame war, OK?? NUFF SED!!

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Dell (WA)

06-09-2005 13:06:50




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to cargocult yet again, 06-09-2005 12:42:54  
Skip..... ...jeeze, yer awfull touchy about the ORC. For $60 (cheap) it prevents alotta expensive problems when you clutch to slowdown to turn a corner with yer brushhog; such as running into the corner of the barn, powerpole, fencepost, over the creekbank, into the irrigation canal, wifes car (don't ask), twisted PTO splines, broken 2nd gear. You've mustta notta heard of Murphy's Law? (grin)..... ...respectfully, Dell, yer self-appointed ORC SAFETY preacher

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cargocult yet again

06-09-2005 13:14:27




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Dell (WA), 06-09-2005 13:06:50  
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I actually HAVE an ORC! I was saying that it IS NOT NECESSARY to operate a hog! 10-4 on the expensive parts it saves! But the gentleman from NC said it was IMPERATIVE to have one! I respectfully disagreed. Yep, it is a useful safety item. BUT NOT ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY! I just came in from operating my N (with an ORC). I was just trying to set the record straight! CC

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Rob Roberts

06-12-2005 08:14:16




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to cargocult yet again, 06-09-2005 13:14:27  
Are you nuts?
Are you trying to kill someone? Why in the world would you even say that?
You are wrong, Dell is right.



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cargocult yet again

06-12-2005 09:26:54




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Rob Roberts, 06-12-2005 08:14:16  
Becasuse it's true!! Many hours of bush-hogging w/o an ORC! Hell,I ain't the only one!! Last time this subject came up. several of the guys on this very board admitted to "Risking Death & Worse" by Not Using The ORC! Sometimes it is useful to harness the inertie of the swinging blades, but you have to be expert-class operator to do that! These tractors are INHERENTLY UNSAFE and NO AMOUNT OF SAFETY STUFF WILL MAKE THEM IDIOT_PROOF! So, take advice at your own risk! I was raised around N tractors, used them in Actual Agricultural Operations so am willing to take perhaps more risks than a newbie should do. But, My POINT WAS: It is actually Phyically Posble to Use A Bush-Hog without using an ORC! Try it yourself!

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Your Crazy !

06-12-2005 19:56:23




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to cargocult yet again, 06-12-2005 09:26:54  
What in the hell is wrong with you????, why in the world would you not want to use a ORC???, What happens when your dog runs in front of you chaseing a rabbit are you "The expert-class operator" going to be able to "harness the inertie of the swinging blades" in such a way to miss your dog??? Dell is right and you are wrong, advise like yours could kill someone!!



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cargocult

06-09-2005 10:58:43




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Bob in NC, 06-09-2005 10:42:41  
It is NOT necessary to Have An Orc! I have personally bush-hogged many acres without one! I didn't even know they existed until I scored a new Hog and the PTO would not fit, so the store sold me an ORC to adapt the PTO to the newfangled larger pto shaft on the new hog. It is Necessary to plan your stops, and drive attentively. Makes it easier, yes, but IS NOT NECESSARY!! Folks nowadays are too soft!! Of course, the chap probably has not engaged the PTO which is why he is having trouble lifting the Hog. 10-4 on reading before becoming a statistic and giving ammo to the folks who would like to restrict the use of these fine machines! Nuff Sed!!

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Buss

06-09-2005 13:05:47




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to cargocult , 06-09-2005 10:58:43  
Although I am a novice with an 8N, I also believe that an ORC is not needed. After hitting two steel and one wooden fence post, my pheasant pen, and a round corn crib with the front loader; I have gotten pretty good at judging the distance that I will be pushed when the clutch is disengaged. Also, there was a very exciting moment when I was mowing by the river near a 20 foot vertical bank! My neighbor, an avid N owner, gave me a lot of crap about the cost of an ORC vs. fence repair; but, never once called me "soft".

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Bryan in WI

06-09-2005 10:25:09




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Pat in FC, 06-09-2005 10:19:46  
Do you have your PTO engaged? The N tractors do not have "live" PTO, so you have to have the PTO on to work the hydralics. Watch out, the blades are gonna spin if you are hooked up and you engage the PTO. It the the lever on the left side under the seat, work the clutch to move the lever. Don't get yourself caught in the PTO. Also, on the 9N there is no factory position control so you have to pull the lever up all the way to get it to raise. -Bryan

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Rick H. Ga.

06-09-2005 10:24:48




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 Re: 3 point Lift - Can't get bush hog to raise or in reply to Pat in FC, 06-09-2005 10:19:46  
Hi Pat,

You do know that the PTO lever has to be engauged (shifted toward rear) for the lift to work don't you?

HTH. Rick



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