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RogerL

06-23-2005 22:40:49




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I'm looking at a '47 8N today which, according to the description and chat with the owner, is in "decent" condition. Decent varies so much that I'm going in with no expectations. It has a rear blade. Guy listed a bunch of new stuff but to me it boiled down to new tune up parts and perhaps some other new wiring. He wants $2900 for it, which seems about the typical asking around here, though condition can vary tremendously, as well as accessories.

There's a '43 2N for sale in the area as well for $1800, I've seen a picture, looks OK. Lots new there, too, according to description.

I'm looking for a tractor to mainly mow my 10 acre pasture, which is all grass, or grass-like weeds. I'll obviously need a mower as well. Driveway maintenence and general hobby-farm duties would be included. My absolute max budget for initial purchase is about $4000, but under that would be fine

For a tractor newbie, is the 8N a good place to start, or should I concentrate on later models like the 600, or even the MF TO35 or...?

When I look at the 8N, what should I absolutely run screaming from? I wouldn't mind restoring one day but it needs to earn its keep before then.

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dan hill

06-28-2005 03:01:18




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
Ive used the 9n 2n 8n over the years.I have a 640 now and like it much better.Had to borrow an MF one time when the top bearing quit in my steering box.This tractor had a high /low range and differential lock.I would look at the later Massey Ferguson if I wanted another tractor.



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Tom NJ

06-24-2005 18:43:22




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
I have an 8N that I have had for 25 yrs, I have used it for just about everything. I also have an 861, The 861 has live hydraulics,remote hydraulics,LPTO,power steering and 5 speed transmission. The hyd pump on the 8n being run by the PTO is really unhandy, I think you would be much happier with a 600 or 800.



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RogerL

06-24-2005 14:44:43




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
Well, the owner has another guy out to look right now, and as it's an hour away, I'm waiting to hear back from him.

Thanks everyone for the excellent advice! I'm mechanically oriented so I'm not too worried about that sort of stuff...that said, I don't really want to get into a strip-down right away, I have a million other projects boiling right now.

Prices here in Washington State seem pretty "high," and there is not much at all to look at, and the tractors do sell. I'm pretty jealous when I look at the sheer number and model variety that some of y'all have for sale in your area.

I can just imagine buying a used tractor for $2000 in PA and paying $2000 to ship it...not. Sigh.

I will keep you posted and thanks for your patience.

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Tom in St. Louis

06-24-2005 12:13:15




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
I bought a 52 8N a couple years ago for $2800. It included a blade and a grader box. It was in fairly decent shape but I did end up having to put a new clutch in for several hundred dollars.



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Bryan in WI

06-24-2005 07:41:30




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
This is kind of dumb, but if you are new to Ns make sure that it is really an 8N. Don't take the guy's word for it. When I was looking for a tractor a few years ago, I first looked at three machines that the owners said were "8Ns" because they saw "8N on some casting, but were really 2N or 9N painted like 8N. The biggest tip off is the 4 forward gears on the 8N.

It might be amusing to get the serial # off the engine and check out what it really is (see the "serial numbers" link on the left of this page) (assuming that there wasn't an engine swap).


-Bryan

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Bruce (VA)

06-24-2005 07:07:53




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
Lots of good advice here; make sure you check out the Smith's site, like flathead sez. I got an N to maintain 3 acres of pasture & garden, plowing the 1/4 mile drive & some bush hog work on the other 7 acres & I have not ben diappointed. In fact, I had so much fun with it, I got 2 more! When you go to check out the N's, bring a parts catalog, jack, a compression meter & an analog multi-meter. Use the meter to check the charging circuit, the jack to get the front end off the ground, the compression meter to make sure it is above 90 lbs on all four, and the catalog to figure what the parts will cost to fix it. Most importantly, do not consider buying it if you do not see it lift a disc, bush hog or other heavy implement and keep it up w/o pump chatter. Likewise, leave it alone (at those prices) if it is got obvious engine noise or is smoking.

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ratface

06-24-2005 06:32:10




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
you've gotten some very honest advice. I have a 1949 8N that I use to brushhog and maintain some trails and pasture land. For cutting trails its the perfect size little tractor, can go around trees and is small enough to manuever down a winding path. The pasture is another story. Mowing anything but mildly overgrown pasture is a strain on the little tractor. You'll find yourself making multiple passes at different cutting heights. Get more power you'll be glad in the long run.

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N4Noel

06-24-2005 06:31:57




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
Roger,

So far all is good advice. I would like to reinforce the importance of scutinizing your potintial tractor. I learned through experience. I found myself in your shoes last year and came across an 8 for 3000$. I did not want a project right off the bat but rather a top of the line used/rebuilt one that would mow on my 8 acre place and possibly help pay for itself by mowing for others in my immediate area. Well the tractor looked great sounded great and so on. What I found after about 100 hours was that the oil pressure dropped to near nothing, which drove me crazy. I committed to tearing it down to find that the rebuild that the previous owner had claimed consisted of new rings on bad sleeves and new bearings on an untouched crank. I put another 1100$ in machine work and new parts. Tractor is now tops like I beleived it was when I purchased it. Lesson Learned. Run the tests, look for the signs, take your time. I would have found that the compression might have tested good, but not that of a good rebuild. Maybe I could have knocked some off the purchase price or found a less expensive tractor in the same condition. Foutunately the previous owner was picky about the paint. It still looks good.

Run it through the wringer,

Noel

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N4Noel

06-24-2005 06:31:45




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
Roger,

So far all is good advice. I would like to reinforce the importance of scutinizing your potintial tractor. I learned through experience. I found myself in your shoes last year and came across an 8 for 3000$. I did not want a project right off the bat but rather a top of the line used/rebuilt one that would mow on my 8 acre place and possibly help pay for itself by mowing for others in my immediate area. Well the tractor looked great sounded great and so on. What I found after about 100 hours was that the oil pressure dropped to near nothing, which drove me crazy. I committed to tearing it down to find that the rebuild that the previous owner had claimed consisted of new rings on bad sleeves and new bearings on an untouched crank. I put another 1100$ in machine work and new parts. Tractor is now tops like I beleived it was when I purchased it. Lesson Learned. Run the tests, look for the signs, take your time. I would have found that the compression might have tested good, but not that of a good rebuild. Maybe I could have knocked some off the purchase price or found a less expensive tractor in the same condition. Foutunately the previous owner was picky about the paint. It still looks good.

Run it through the wringer,

Noel

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flathead

06-24-2005 06:01:13




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
John Smith has an excellent write-up on what to look for when buying an 8N. Check the link below.

flathead



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OH Boy

06-24-2005 05:50:24




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
If your land is already cleared, I would consider putting your mower money into a finish mower instead of a bush hog, the 8N will handle a 6 footer with ease and the cut is SO much nicer. I got a 6 foot King Kutter this year. I used a 5 foot bush hog the past few years. The finish mower seems to take less power and does a much better job in my opinion. Of course it won't mow down 3 foot deep stuff, saplings, etc.

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Dean

06-24-2005 05:02:21




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
Roger: I agree with everything that Dave H says. Like Dave, I have both an 8N and an 860. The 8N is a great little tractor but the 860 will do nearly twice the work for not much more money. As you probably know, the 8N has neither live hydraulics nor live PTO, the Jubilee/NAA has live hydraulics but not live PTO, and the 6xx and 8xx series have live hydraulics and many have live PTO and even power steering.

Keep in mind that these are 50+ years-old machines and all but the best will probably require some work when you buy it. If you are mechanically inclined, and have the time, any of the vintage Fords should be OK for you. The good news if that nearly all parts are readily available at reasonable prices.

If I were looking to buy a single tractor in your price range I would look for a decent 6xx or 8xx as these can be had for around $3,500 here near Cincinnati. You would still have a bew bucks in your budget for a bush hog. Keep in mind that the 8xx will handle a 6 footer while a 5 footer is tops for the 8N. The Jubilee/NAA, 6xx can handle a light 6 footer in ideal conditions but will be much better suited to a 5 footer.

Happy hunting.

Dean

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Dave H (NY)

06-24-2005 03:41:33




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
Roger, the 8n is a great little tractor, the 600 is stronger, and the 800 stronger yet. The differances are the hundred series will all have live hydraulics the n's do not some hundreds will have a live PTO the n's do not. The 8n will suit you fine for mowing and most any chore you throw at it, I have a 47 8n and two 800's. As far as what to stay away from I would only be concerned with engine block cracks unless professionally repaired everything else I can repair. Check the hydraulics see that the engine doesn't smoke and runs smoothe and has power, see that the brakes feel good and the clutch is operating correctly and the tires should be decent. He is asking a premium price for the 8n so it should be mechanically sound. In my area they go in the 1200 to 2500 dollar range. Good luck and post back and let us know what happens.

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Russ SoCal

06-24-2005 10:41:15




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 Where yat? in reply to Dave H (NY), 06-24-2005 03:41:33  
Dave,
I kinda follow the prices in NY, CT and NJ cause of family ties. 5 years ago, prices were cheap to reasonable there and ridiculous out here. Lately, prices out here have dropped VERY slightly, but NY, etc, prices seem to have gone WAY up. Yuppies, maybe?
Russ



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Dave H (NY)

06-24-2005 15:04:10




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 Re: Where yat? in reply to Russ SoCal, 06-24-2005 10:41:15  
Russ, we have gotten a large influx of "city Folk" coming our way and it has driven the cost of everything through the roof here, house values have doubled here in the last 4 years and the taxes as well, a few years ago you could get a 4 bed room house for 150,000 dollars now that same house is $300,000, and the tractors are going up also but not as rediculous you can still get a nice n for $2,000 and a hundred series for $2,800 or so not too bad yet. I am located in northern Orange county close enough to Ulster to hit it with a rock (literally)

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Russ SoCal

06-24-2005 20:51:53




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 Re: Where yat? in reply to Dave H (NY), 06-24-2005 15:04:10  
Dave,
Beautiful country. Too bad everybody wants to pave it. I lived in Westchester county for 18 years but bailed 40 years ago. Folks had to move to Connecticut cuz the taxes. Keep talkin up them Kubomasekieeres. Mebbe they'll leave the old stuff alone.
Russ



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06-24-2005 03:35:58




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 Re: Looking at 8N today in reply to RogerL, 06-23-2005 22:40:49  
It seems like you should get a GREAT
machine for $3000. I wouuld expect the 3 point to hold the blade up (motor off)
for at least an hour. Oil pressure 30 psi
cold to 15-20 Hot, and have it run for
a while. No visible smoke at hot.
Minimum amount of brown pudding in breather
tube.
Starts on 2nd or 3rd turn (naturally using choke).
Good throttle increase in RPMs, and lever
holds position.
Will restart ok after hot and shut down.
PTO engages tightly, and turns fine,
an ORC on PTO a bonus. Clutch seems ok.
Brakes work.
Shifter engages fine with clutch depressed.
No coolant leaks.
Amp meter shows a few amps charge when running
at above idle.
No major grease or worn out looking engine.
Sheet metal only light or no rust.
Tires (AG) in great shape.
No front wheel wobble.
A new brush hog (5 ft max) will cost about
$800.
That would make the N $3000 in the NE area
of the country.
George

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